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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2008 20:52:20 GMT -5
cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10745070Kent State's Christian agrees to become TCU coach March 28, 2008 By Gary Parrish Kent State coach Jim Christian has agreed in principle to be the next coach at TCU, a source told CBSSports.com on Friday night. An official announcement is expected soon. Christian replaced Stan Heath in 2002 and led Kent State to six consecutive 20-win seasons. At TCU, Christian will replace Neil Dougherty.
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Post by Raider Country on Mar 29, 2008 8:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by Kovy on Mar 29, 2008 9:30:40 GMT -5
Kent State to TCU seems like a dumb move. Either the money was to good to pass down or that must be where home is.
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Post by raiderrunt on Mar 29, 2008 11:20:23 GMT -5
You have that right Fairborn, it does seem like a lateral move. I think the MAC schools are what they are. There is not much potential for growth. Maybe he saw TCU as a progam that can get much better, bigger and respected.
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Post by Fastbreak on Mar 29, 2008 11:27:39 GMT -5
You guys are both clueless. He jumped to a much higher rated conference and he is going to make twice as much money there. It was a no brainer.
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Post by Willie on Mar 29, 2008 11:48:44 GMT -5
You got that right. TCU is in the Mountain West Conference, which is a consistently ranked between 7-10. The MAC is typically ranked between 10-15. TCU plays in Daniel-Meyer Coliseum: Kent State plays in Memorial Athletic and Convocation Center:
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Post by Kovy on Mar 29, 2008 13:15:15 GMT -5
All I'm saying is 6 straight 20 win seasons and the best you can get is TCU. Sure bigger paycheck and better facilities but TCU isn't going to go any further than Kent State will in the NCAA Tournament. At best TCU is 5th or 6th choice for Texas high school kids playing basketball. To me this is no different than Licklider last year. He took the 1st payday he could get at Iowa instead of staying at Butler where he had the whole team back and now he would be getting the Indiana job. Licklider will spend 3 more miserable years trying to rebuild Iowa before he's fired instead of winning at Butler and then getting a much better BCS job.
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Post by Willie on Mar 29, 2008 14:15:16 GMT -5
All I'm saying is 6 straight 20 win seasons and the best you can get is TCU. Sure bigger paycheck and better facilities but TCU isn't going to go any further than Kent State will in the NCAA Tournament. At best TCU is 5th or 6th choice for Texas high school kids playing basketball. To me this is no different than Licklider last year. He took the 1st payday he could get at Iowa instead of staying at Butler where he had the whole team back and now he would be getting the Indiana job. Licklider will spend 3 more miserable years trying to rebuild Iowa before he's fired instead of winning at Butler and then getting a much better BCS job. Who the hell is Licklider?
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Post by Retired Coach on Mar 29, 2008 14:27:08 GMT -5
Todd Lickliter will have no trouble turning Iowa into a contender in the near future. A large part of college basketball is recruiting and Lickliter has a great class coming in next year at Iowa.
He has a 6 man class coming in so far for next year including 2 top 50 national recruits. #13 6-5 SG Matt Gatens #35 6-4 PG Anthony Tucker 6-4 SG Jermain Davis 6-5 SG Devan Bawinke 6-7 PF Aaron Fuller 6-9 C Andrew Brommer
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Post by raiderrunt on Mar 29, 2008 16:53:59 GMT -5
I definitely have a clue, it was just a little off, I thought TCU was still in C-USA. So his salary goes from 200K to 400K in the world of coaching, not that big of an increase. At least Lickliter scored over a million dollars a year. Also looking at those two arenas I can tell you this the 3355 that Kent State (6300 capacity) averaged a game were a lot louder than the 3732 that TCU (7200 capacity) averaged per game last year. The fans at Kent are right on top of the court whereas the fans at TCU are back away from the court and not as big of a factor. Other than that Christian must have seen a lot of growth potential at TCU, he didn't go there for that arena. I think Lickliter did a lot better than Christian in terms of going to a top conference with school that has big-time football to provide cash. www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/attendance/2007_basketball_attend.pdf
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Post by Retired Coach on Mar 29, 2008 17:33:21 GMT -5
I definitely have a clue, it was just a little off, I thought TCU was still in C-USA. So his salary goes from 200K to 400K in the world of coaching, not that big of an increase. Christian's base salary is going up from 250K (highest in the MAC) to over 500K moving from Kent State to TCU. More importantly for him, he went to a university that is willing to spend money to turn TCU into a winner. Last year, Kent State spent 1.3 million on men's basketball. TCU spent 2.2 million on basketball last year. So it isn't just about his salary. It's about how much he can spend on his assistant coaches salaries, recruiting budgets, travel budgets, etc. Also looking at those two arenas I can tell you this the 3355 that Kent State (6300 capacity) averaged a game were a lot louder than the 3732 that TCU (7200 capacity) averaged per game last year. Your attendance figures also show why moving to TCU is a huge step up from Kent State. Kent State has averaged over 20 wins a year in Christians 6 years there and they only fill up 1/2 of their arena. TCU hasn't been good in a while. There were 13-16 last year, 14-17 the year before, and 6-24 the year before that. Even with those pathetic records, they still average more fans (3732 vs 3335) than Kent State. Once Christian turns things around, they will be selling out. Christian might not have done as well as Lickliter, but he definitely moved up in the world over Kent State.
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Post by raiderrunt on Mar 29, 2008 23:55:19 GMT -5
Good points Irish. I knew he must have thought there was more potential at TCU and you showed there is. I wondered why he didn't get more interest from BCS schools?
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Post by Big D on Mar 30, 2008 8:34:25 GMT -5
I wondered why he didn't get more interest from BCS schools? That's easy. He has no post season success. He has won 20 games every year he has been at Kent State but he has not won an NCAA tournament game yet. He also plays a pretty watered down schedule. He wins 20 games a year by beating up on a lot of nonconference cupcakes and an average MAC conference. If he would have made it to the second round a time or 2 in the NCAA tournament, he probably would have had more BCS offers.
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Post by raiderrunt on Mar 30, 2008 10:12:36 GMT -5
I wondered why he didn't get more interest from BCS schools? That's easy. He has no post season success. He has won 20 games every year he has been at Kent State but he has not won an NCAA tournament game yet. He also plays a pretty watered down schedule. He wins 20 games a year by beating up on a lot of nonconference cupcakes and an average MAC conference. If he would have made it to the second round a time or 2 in the NCAA tournament, he probably would have had more BCS offers. That makes sense to me.
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Post by Tipp City Raider on Mar 31, 2008 14:11:53 GMT -5
Report: Horn new coach at South CarolinaThe Courier-Journal March 31, 2008 Western Kentucky University coach Darrin Horn has agreed to be the new men's basketball coach at the University of South Carolina, according to a report by The (Columbia, S.C.) State. Horn, a WKU grad, led the team to the Sweet 16 this season. The State reported that the USC board of trustees has called a meeting for 11 a.m. Tuesday regarding the new basketball coach. Former South Carolina coach Dave Odom stepped down after seven seasons. www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/SPORTS/80331023
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