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Post by Black PantherU on May 2, 2012 14:37:19 GMT -5
In the conference call, Lecrone said the rule was a school could veto within 25 miles. Detroit is 20 miles from Oakland. He then said that veto could be overwritten if the remaining members voted unanimously for the team.
In the past, Detroit called on bros Loyola and Butler to help them out. If Detroit still wants no part of Oakland and Loyola still defends them, then Oakland is out.
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Post by Black PantherU on May 2, 2012 15:06:43 GMT -5
Just listened to Bluejay Banter, a weekly sports radio show in Omaha. Their President was on, and he said that he had discussions with Atlantic 10 member officials: "If you ever expand, think of Creighton." Then he went on to say that he had spoken with Jesuit university officials and said "If you guys implode, meaning the Big East, I want to make sure that if things change, Creighton would be at the table in discussions." Sounds pretty clear cut and dry that he has reached out to the A10 and Big East - if they're expanding, he wants in. This radio show aired April 30th. bluejaybanter.podomatic.com/
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Post by Hoops Junkie on May 2, 2012 18:51:19 GMT -5
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Post by raidergrad98 on May 2, 2012 20:07:53 GMT -5
How long before the implosion and formation of the catholic league?
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Post by WrightStateFan on May 2, 2012 20:44:36 GMT -5
I'd fire LeCrone now before he has a chance to screw this up. Just look at the A-10 to see what hiring a good Conference Commish can do for you. The year after the A-10 hired their Commish they got their TV deal to broadcast their league championship game on CBS. Now they are on the verge of adding 3 teams that have made it to the final four recently. LeCrone is an idiot. I could see him recommending that the HL add IUPUI, IPFW, and Chicago St.
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Post by Raider Grad on May 2, 2012 20:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by Raider Grad on May 2, 2012 20:58:59 GMT -5
Well, we know that Oakland is interested. Hope LeCrone can get this done quickly. Then we can take a little time to selectively add 2 more teams that can potentially help elevate the HL.
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Post by Raider Pride on May 2, 2012 21:03:06 GMT -5
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Post by mrose on May 2, 2012 21:36:33 GMT -5
I'm not a LeCrone fan, but he's screwed no matter what he does--It's just a matter of the severity of "screwed." No commish, in any conference (BCS included), can replace a team that has been to the National Championship twice in the last 4 years. Granted, Temple is a difficult school to replace, but the A-10 still has the Philadelphia media market along with other schools with National name recognition. LeCrone can't replicate that. He lost Indianapolis. He lost the only school with National name recognition. And, he can't replace the school he just lost within another major media market or a national name.
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Post by Willie on May 2, 2012 21:47:33 GMT -5
LeCrone can't replicate that. He lost Indianapolis. He lost the only school with National name recognition. And, he can't replace the school he just lost within another major media market or a national name. I beg to differ. LeCrone already stated in his press conference that the HL is looking at adding multiple teams. You are correct that no one team would replace what Butler brings to the table in the national media, but we can easily add some teams that give us another major media market. If the HL tries to add Robert Morris and Drexel for example, that gets our foot in the door to both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. Those would be 2 huge markets to add to the HL. I would gladly trade Butler for Oakland, Robert Morris and Drexel. The 2 PA schools would add travel costs to the HL, but we would be adding 3 potential top 100 teams, more exposure in Detroit, and more exposure in PA.
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Post by mrose on May 2, 2012 22:47:22 GMT -5
There isn't any synergy gained by adding schools such as you suggested. Look at the (proposed) conference RPI over the past 10 years--With Butler and w/o Butler (but with RMU, Drexel, and OU). Drexel has no reason to leave the CAA for the Horizon (it's a pipe dream for some), and the CAA is a better fit for many reasons for the Dragons: 1) Geography. 2) CAA is now much better than horizon w/o Butler. 3) Phillosphically CAA is similiar to Horizon--Mostly State Institutions with a sprinkling of Private schools--Nothing to be gained by changing conference affliation. Media market is practically irrelevant with Drexel and to a lesser extent RMU. Philly is a pro sports town and only 2-3 schools get any noticable media attention--PSU (football), 'Nova, and Temple. St. Joe's, LaSalle, Drexel, and Penn are paid very little attention by the Philly media. RMU joing Horizon would be an okay fit--It's a step up for them. Travel wouldn't be bad, and RMU has a good local following (though local media will be dominated by pro sports, PSU and Pitt). The only draw back is people in ChicagoLand will probably confuse their RMU with the one near Pittsburgh. I can see RMU, OU, and some Summitt League (an Illinois school), or an OVC (Morehead/Murray State) being extended invitations. Unfortunately, you can add all the NEC/Summitt/OVC schools you want, but they still won't bring enough to the table to replace Butler.
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Post by Willie on May 3, 2012 6:24:18 GMT -5
There isn't any synergy gained by adding schools such as you suggested. Look at the (proposed) conference RPI over the past 10 years--With Butler and w/o Butler (but with RMU, Drexel, and OU). Drexel has no reason to leave the CAA for the Horizon (it's a pipe dream for some). You obviously haven't been following the conference expansion rumors very much then. The CAA's 2 top schools, are also considering a move to the A-10. If both VCU and George Mason end up leaving for the A-10, the CAA will be a horrible conference and would make a move to the HL a very attractive offer to Drexel. that is especially true considering Drexel would be the only remaining school in that conference that doesn't play football. Media market is practically irrelevant with Drexel and to a lesser extent RMU. Conferences expand into new markets to get their foot in the door in those markets. They don't need to add the top dog in that market to make it a good move. Fordham is one of the worst programs in the country, but the A-10 is happy to have them in the conference because they keep them in the NY media market and help all of their schools recruit in that state. The Big 10 has been considering adding Rutgers to their conference for several years now. Rutgers doesn't get any real media attention in New York, but the Big 10 is considering them because it opens the door for them. The A-10 is more than happy to add Butler. They get less media print in Indy than ND, IU, Purdue, the Pacers, and the Colts.
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Post by mrose on May 3, 2012 11:33:02 GMT -5
Add Northeastern and Hofstra to the list of schools in the CAA without football. Geographically it makes more sense for Drexel to join the NEC, America East, or MAAC and w/o Butler the Horizon RPI won't be much better (if at all) than the MAAC. Fordham is a bit of a different story and there are other reasons than having a member in the largest media market. It's one of 9 Catholic Institutions in the A-10, so there's a lot of non-athletic commonalities with the other members. Drexel has nothing in common with WSU, YSU, Valpo, UMGB, etc. In addition, many A-10 members have a strong Alumni base in the NY/NJ area. I highly doubt Horizon members have large alumni bases in NYC. The Big 10 has considered Rutgers for one reason and one reason only--$$$ Money $$$. By adding Rutgers cable providers would be "forced" to carry the Big Ten Network--That's a cash cow generating Millions of $$ for each school. In case you forgot, the Horizon Network is Free--It doesn't generate one red cent.
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Post by Raider Fanatic on May 3, 2012 18:10:39 GMT -5
Add Northeastern and Hofstra to the list of schools in the CAA without football. Geographically it makes more sense for Drexel to join the NEC, America East, or MAAC and w/o Butler the Horizon RPI won't be much better (if at all) than the MAAC. That's not true. I teach college math and statistics at WSU and actually use the RPI equation in a few of my classes. Butler had a final RPI of 116 last year and the HL had a conference RPI of 14. The MAAC had a conference RPI of 18, NEC was 24, and America East was 29. If you remove Butler from the RPI equation for the HL, we would have finished in 15th place last year. That's well above the 18th ranked MAAC. If you would have replaced Butler with Oakland, the HL would have finished in the exact same 14th place. If LeCrone is smart he will add Oakland first to solidify the HL. He can then sell our product to schools from lower conferences as a chance for them to move up. Drexel will definitely be looking to jump ship from the CAA if George Mason and VCU leave for the A-10. They may choose one of the conferences you mentioned for easier travel, but if they are looking to upgrade conferences the HL is still going to be well above the those you mentioned.
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Post by Indy Raider on May 3, 2012 21:41:30 GMT -5
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