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Post by hhgreen on Feb 14, 2014 9:07:02 GMT -5
Everyone has an opinion. We shall see if some people that post here are in a minority. When I say fit Raider Basketball. I mean how we should be looked upon by the basketball community as a whole.
When we are being seen on ESPN do we want the world to see us as a school of defense and low possession count that never let's an opponent score 50 points whether we win or lose?
Or do we want to be a team that scores 75+ per game that has a lot of action up and down the court playing a pressing defense full court with winning or losing?
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Post by Dr J on Feb 14, 2014 12:25:19 GMT -5
This team has some fast thoroughbred race horses that are being used to plow. I feel, there should be a balance between defense, offense and rebounding. You can take time off the clock by slowing down the offense when ahead. But, not being organized enough to start the driving offense before a shot can be developed is not. I feel our offense has been so predictable it is easy to defense. In the CSU game we did execute a good offense in the last 15 minutes of each half. I hope BD realizes he needs to evaluate decisions about combinations on the court and offense and defense execution. We need to vary both offense and defense at various times and with certain combos.
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Post by uptempo on Feb 14, 2014 13:20:29 GMT -5
I was ok with the slow down style while BB was coach because the team was bad for so long and he made us respectable again. BB's style was boring, but it gave us a chance to win. I think that this years team may be the deepest and most athletic team ever at wsu. I don't understand why Donlon won't let them push the ball up the court. Here is what I would like to see, play the same "D", but press occasionally, play a little zone to keep the enemy off guard. On offense I would play at a high tempo, this team is deep so we can play everyone 15 to 25 minutes a game, stay fresh and wear the other team out. We should have 25 wins by now, if we had a coach. He is kinda like a community organizer, good in practice, but not in real world (game) situations.
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Post by bballraider on Feb 14, 2014 16:36:09 GMT -5
I really don't think Billy tells the team to play slow. I believe he has them try to get down the floor as quick as possible, and if there is a good shot take it. If not, back it out and run the offense. I do not like when we have a lead and he has the guys milk the clock for 10 seconds before we get into our offense, as we tend to need the full shot clock to get off a good shot anyway once in our half court offense.
You can't always run if the other team will not let you. Very few teams can run on us because we get back on defense and don't send a lot if any to the offensive board. Other teams can do that with us also.
The reason for the low number of possessions isn't necessarily on the offense all the time either. We play pretty good defense, do not allow a lot of fast breaks, so the other team tends to use a lot of shot clock too, just to get off a good shot. If they shoot early that plays to our advantage because they are not great shots typically early if we are playing well on defense.
Something I would like us try to do is isolate some of our better athletes and work to driving the ball to the basket. Schilling used to used Vernard Hollins and Seth Doliboa in a two man game (kind of a pro set) and spread the other guys out so no help defense could get involved, and let the two of them go to work on the defense. I believe we have the players to try and use this type of offense on occasion. I also like the press and/or trap to try and speed up the other team into making bad decisions.
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Post by Raider Grad on Feb 14, 2014 17:11:58 GMT -5
No, but it doesn't matter. Nothing is going to change while Donlon is here.
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Post by Fastbreak on Feb 14, 2014 20:12:31 GMT -5
It is what we are known for. It's the style of play we have had for the last 8 years.
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Post by allfor4 on Feb 14, 2014 20:21:08 GMT -5
I would have to agree with the sixth man. As long as BIlly Donlon is the head coach , wright state basketball is going to be known for two things..... Slow and boring
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Post by Wolf on Feb 15, 2014 12:15:29 GMT -5
This is a stupid poll. Who cares if we are seen as a defensive minded team vs a run and gun offensive team. I just want us to known as a winner. You can be a winner with either one of these approaches.
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Post by Dr J on Feb 15, 2014 12:56:27 GMT -5
I guess our win/loss record and attendance prove you right. I guess if you disagree, you can say it is "Stupid". I feel this is a forum for people to have their say and opinions. Maybe that is not correct. Even if I don't agree with someone, I say I don't agree not use words like "stupid".
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Post by hhgreen on Feb 15, 2014 13:32:36 GMT -5
Has anyone got the record of our yearly attendance for the past 15 years? I bet about 4000 fans ago they cared about what kind of game we were playing especially if we were losing. Before too long we are going to have to put covers over half the Nutter Center seats if we don't change something to get people to watch the games. Winning is not entirely the hot ticket. Maybe next year we will win 25 games but we have 2500 fans per game, it will still feel like we are going backwards.
Who likes to watch a defensive stand off game at the end where we are struggling to hold onto a 3 point win or loss in the last 5 minutes of the game? That is for the most part the only entertaining part of the game for the casual fan that pays out $50.00 for two tickets, two hot dogs and 2 large drinks or maybe a beer and a walk around the cold pond.
The seats get filled when there is entertaining play on the court, maybe some fans just like the game of basketball and could care less if there are more than a couple hundred in the stands, but it sure don't feel like the same atmosphere we used to have.
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Post by Big D on Feb 15, 2014 14:12:05 GMT -5
Has anyone got the record of our yearly attendance for the past 15 years? I bet about 4000 fans ago they cared about what kind of game we were playing especially if we were losing. Before too long we are going to have to put covers over half the Nutter Center seats if we don't change something to get people to watch the games. Winning is not entirely the hot ticket. Maybe next year we will win 25 games but we have 2500 fans per game, it will still feel like we are going backwards. Who likes to watch a defensive stand off game at the end where we are struggling to hold onto a 3 point win or loss in the last 5 minutes of the game? That is for the most part the only entertaining part of the game for the casual fan that pays out $50.00 for two tickets, two hot dogs and 2 large drinks or maybe a beer and a walk around the cold pond. The seats get filled when there is entertaining play on the court, maybe some fans just like the game of basketball and could care less if there are more than a couple hundred in the stands, but it sure don't feel like the same atmosphere we used to have. Were you at the Nutter Center for HL play in Brownell's first year at WSU? We played the same style of ball we are playing right now and the Nutter Center was pretty darn full. Fans want to see a winner. Butler plays slow ball too and they lead the HL in attendance every year because they were the best team in the HL. Ed Schilling's teams scored a whole heck of a lot more than Donlon's teams and our attendance declined almost every year of his tenure at WSU because he didn't put a winner on the court.
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Post by Nutt House on Feb 15, 2014 14:27:26 GMT -5
I think fans want 3 main things when they decide to spend their money on coming to a basketball game. They want to follow a winning team. They want to see that winning team play good competition. They want to pay a decent price to see all of that. Comparing attendance numbers over the years isn't going to tell you much about how import style of play is to fans. The Nutter center used to average over 8000 fans a game at one point. The number of paying customers back then was probably 1/3 of that. We were constantly giving out tickets for free trying to build our fan base. We went from giving away tickets to 2 for 1 tickets to increasing ticket prices every year. Fans have stopped coming because they went from coming to games for free to see pretty good basketball against decent competition to paying premium prices to see us play really crappy competition and lose.
If we were playing a real OOC schedule, winning 20 games every year, and making it to the post season every few years I think we would be playing in front of 7000 fans a game.
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Post by jumbojimbo on Feb 15, 2014 14:37:01 GMT -5
Not a fair poll designed with the answer YOU want in the "question".
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Post by raiders93 on Feb 15, 2014 18:41:51 GMT -5
Not a fair poll designed with the answer YOU want in the "question". What? lol.
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Post by wsutommygun on Feb 16, 2014 0:29:40 GMT -5
I agree with Jimbo, if you want to do a poll then you should leave out the editorial comments that you use to explain where you're coming from on the question. I didn't bother to participate.
Nutt House, let's not rewrite history. In the 1980's we played Central State several times at the UD Arena. I think we drew about 5,500 ( maybe with the help of the San Diego Chicken...google or youtube it for anyone too young ), I thought 5,000 would be okay for any new center at WSU. Glad people had confidence in something bigger and allowed for further expansion if needed. We drew 8,500 average the first year, I'd say a lot of that had to do with the novelty of having a new building. The numbers went down in the second year even though we had a decent season.. Complain about the current state if you like but, I'm not blaming the coach or the team
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