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Post by wolf41 on Mar 25, 2014 20:44:17 GMT -5
mrose...I wouldn't say tommygun is "satisfied" with those results. He "accepts" those results and looks forward to next season, which may, or may not, have better outcomes for WSU. I have been a Reds fan since the late 40s. I haven't had all that much to cheer about in most of those years, but I'm still a fan looking forward to a new season, a season of hope for the Reds.
A major difference, however, is that the Reds play a very comparable schedule as the other teams in their division. WSU, however, plays a schedule they have made to suit themselves. So other teams may play some D-II or D-III teams and still pack other good teams into their schedules to prepare themselves for the softer HL games. We, on the other hand, had a schedule designed to be weaker with an intent of getting at least 24 wins. You'll recall after playing the OOC portion of the schedule that our SOS was 305. Our record was a disappointing 8-7.
Well, disappointing for most of us. For some it was a philosophical "it is what it is" moment. There are countless such points in a life time as we all march toward the grave. What do they amount to...nothing. Some day the Earth too will die and eventually be consumed by the Sun. What did anything amount to? Nothing. So don't be agitated with tommygunn. He is on that philosophical plane where he recognizes that everything means absolutely nothing. So why "anger up the blood" as Satchel Paige use to say. For even if WSU were ranked #1 and won the NCAA what would it amount to in the end? Nothing.
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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 25, 2014 21:22:00 GMT -5
Nice try Wolf41, if the goal is to play in the NCAA tournament, what is the best way to accomplish that? Win the conference tournament and get the automatic bid? We have played in the championship game in back-to-back years. Guess you can't hope for much more. So, the SOS may or may not have helped us. We have had back-to-back 3 seeds and back-to-back participation in the league championship game. The SOS may or may not have helped but, we were invited to a postseason tourney and we were able to win at ECU and at least have a halfcourt heave that would have beaten OU. My point isn't about whether or not the SOS is ideal to get us to the ultimate goal but, I have a hard time buying the argument that it somehow hurt us when we got to league play, tourney, or postseason. I'm not saying I don't think we aren't on the same page in the final analysis but, you have to admit your argument would be better if the results weren't as good.
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Post by mrose on Mar 25, 2014 23:19:17 GMT -5
Back-to-back 20+ win seasons only if you count the Div. II and Div. III wins. Most programs/conferences that have high aspirations don't schedule those games. Look at the official RPI and you'll see we're credited with 18 wins. Read Big D's comments on what the HL needs to do...
You should know by now, wsutommygun, people can be a staunch fan of the program yet be unsatisfied and even disappointed with the season in general. Your trying to discredit them by implying they aren't a "fan" of the program because they express their opinion on an opinion board wears thin...
Back to BD and his "accomplishment(s)." Yes, for the first time in school history we've ACCEPTED two invites to the two lesser known tournaments. Those pay-to-play tournaments weren't around during the time of our previous coaches, sans Brownell. If they were perhaps the pre Mid-Con days of Underhill's teams we would have accepted invitations and maybe even received invites during Schilling's two back-to-back winning years. We all know we had the opportunity to play in these new pay-to-play tournaments while Brownell was here, but somewhere in the chain of management a decision was made to not play in these tournaments. So, who should the credit go to now for ACCEPTING back to back years in the CBI and CIT?? BD? The Donor$? Grant and the admin. for saying yes? All of the above?
My point, the opportunity to play in post-season has been expanded greatly the past 7 years and only in the last couple of years has WSU been a WILLING participant. Your assertion that BD deserves all the credit is analogous to shortening and narrowing bats and widening and vertically expanding the strike zone and then praising a wild pitcher for throwing more strikes.
Lastly, what I was trying to show in my prior comment was, with the exception of WSU, PVA&M, and Morgan State, every team that played in their respective conference championship last year retained bids to the NCAA/NIT or IMPROVED their lot this year.
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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 25, 2014 23:56:49 GMT -5
mrose, our official record is 21 wins. If the RPI says 18 then it is wrong because we only played 2 non D-1 teams. RPI is not the actual record and, I'll bet there isn't a team that doesn't include all games with their yearly stats. The truth is I can't believe a real fan would insult us by not knowing the record but, guess that doesn't serve your agenda. I don't have a problem with Big D's list, I endorse it...that is something for the future and doesn't change the present. I was disappointed with the season but, turned out that it came close to my goals and shouldn't be dismissed. Whoever made the decision to join in the postseason fun, it was still up to the coaches and players to perform. If you don't want to give Billy all of the credit that is fine but, not to give him any credit doesn't seem quite fair, either. He was HL COY just last season. If you are one that believes it's NCAA or nothing that is fine. I can't believe someone would follow the team and not get a little enjoyment from it ( hopefully, it at least helped get you thru the winter and maybe next year will be more fun ). As a fan of a mid-major I just don't get it. Not to offend anyone but, do your little swimmers really hit the jackpot with a baby popping out 9 months later every time you make love to your significant other...can't you have a little fun without that happening? I wouldn't boycott any regular season game regardless of division.
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Post by hhgreen on Mar 26, 2014 6:02:53 GMT -5
We accomplished 20 wins in multiple seasons and it is time to either play better teams, get a better product on the court for fans can watch an exciting game or go 27-2 and get an auto bid hopefully or just be happy to get to the championship game and win it with a record of 5-24 and go to the Big Dance. I can't believe fans here are just happy with mediocrity. We are better than that.
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 26, 2014 11:44:48 GMT -5
tommygunn, I'm not arguing anything about the recent HL tournament. I have stated elsewhere that we finished close to were we were picked, 3rd as opposed to 1st or 2nd. Of course we did lose to the 5th seeded team on our home court, but that is only a matter of concern for some of us. And we did win one game in the weaker CIT versus the two we won last year in the CBI. But that is all good news, at least for some.
I have already supported extending Billy's contract, though I would have preferred to have it announced at the time it was done rather than hearing about it a year later. But that's just the way I feel. Others apparently prefer doing business in a more covert way. That's okay for them. At least now we know what kind of people are running the show. Doing it in a secretive way certainly raises questions about what's in the contract, but I have no interest in pursuing that issue, though others might.
For now my attention will be on WSU baseball and softball as well as the Reds and OSU spring football. I will also be looking forward to the release of the men's basketball schedule for 2014-15. I would hope that the idea of financially penalizing a school for a weak schedule will encourage WSU to build a stronger schedule, though I suspect we'll still have DII and/or DIII teams on it. Perhaps a better approach would be to drop such games and add some top RPI 200 teams. But that's just my thinking, that aspiring DI schools should play an all DI schedule. I know. I'm old fashioned.
And finally, I hope that the Commish and the Presidents have some much needed good news on league expansion. I'm eagerly awaiting the NCAA tournament to conclude so we fans can sit back and have the good news wash over us. I, for one, can hardly wait.
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Post by mrose on Mar 26, 2014 12:44:45 GMT -5
My bad...I was looking at the NCAA RPI which hadn't been updated since selection Sunday. Still, we didn't have back-to-back 20 wins against a schedule made up entirely of Div. I schools.
If you read my comments I included NIT and if WSU had the resume to be invited to the NIT this year I would have considered that a well earned bid. However, that wasn't the case...
So, using your metaphor, many of us have standards and we would rather have "fun" all along the way with a beautiful woman rather than close the bar down and have "fun" with coyote ugly that you hope you never see again.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Mar 28, 2014 19:49:10 GMT -5
Raideralumni, what a crock of crap!!! So the state of this program is the fault of the fans who actually believe this program should be better than it is. I guess you mean the 2000,3000,4000 fans who no longer are at the nutter. It is not the fans fault that raider hoops in the last four years had a best rpi of 126 and a worst of 225. It is not the fans fault that we have not been to the real postseason since 2007. It is not the fans fault that we play a skanky schedule that would not bring out one single casual fan. People like you,ra, and glory days, have it totally backwards. If wsu gets its act together, starts recruiting a higher quality player, scheduling higher quality opponents maybe, just maybe some of those fans will come back....if they don't end up across town watching a team that is doing it right.
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Post by Raider Alumni on Mar 28, 2014 20:14:44 GMT -5
Raideralumni, what a crock of crap!!! So the state of this program is the fault of the fans who actually believe this program should be better than it is. I guess you mean the 2000,3000,4000 fans who no longer are at the nutter. It is not the fans fault that raider hoops in the last four years had a best rpi of 126 and a worst of 225. It is not the fans fault that we have not been to the real postseason since 2007. It is not the fans fault that we play a skanky schedule that would not bring out one single casual fan. People like you,ra, and glory days, have it totally backwards. If wsu gets its act together, starts recruiting a higher quality player, scheduling higher quality opponents maybe, just maybe some of those fans will come back....if they don't end up across town watching a team that is doing it right. I am so sick and tired of your bs Keith. Have you ever considered why the team from across town is able to do those things? Take a look at their attendance numbers over the years. Even when they had records of 4-26, 6-21, and 7-20 in the early 1990s their attendance never dropped below 10,000. They also charge much more for their tickets and get 10 times more in donations than Wright State. It is pretty easy to recruit a higher quality of player, schedule better opponent's and hire better coaches with those resources don't you think. Myself and every other season ticket holder that is still around is all that Wright State has going for it. As far as I am concerned, I don't give a rat's ass what so called fans like yourself think. It is easy to bitch and moan about something that you have no financial interest in. It is much harder to be part of the solution by putting your money where your mouth is.
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Post by Big D on Mar 28, 2014 20:26:39 GMT -5
The poll in this thread has expired and the thread has turned into a pissing match that has nothing to do with the poll whatsoever. I'm locking this thread and I want all of our members to remember a few basic posting rules. 1. Treat others with respect. We are all Raider fans even though we disagree on things. 2. This is a Wright State message board. If you want to discuss the team from across town, do it on their message board.
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