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Post by Willie on Aug 9, 2014 13:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by Willie on Aug 9, 2014 13:30:58 GMT -5
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Post by wsutommygun on Aug 9, 2014 14:06:40 GMT -5
When I go to places like UIC, Cleveland State, and Miami of Ohio and see curtains cutting off the arenas, I can't help but think that they have accepted that their best days in D1 are probably behind them. Doesn't mean that something magical won't come along but, it would be more luck than something planned for. Although I think that our covered sections look pretty good, wouldn't be surprised if some at WSU hasn't allowed "best days could be a thing of the past" into their thinking with such a move. ( No offense to teams or coaching staff ) I thought we were hiring people that brought some kind of success in their areas of expertise. Anyway, as much as I like Ohio State football, I could see myself telling the Big 5 to go ahead and just play each other and use this as an opportunity to get mid-majors to sticking together a little better when it comes to scheduling and such. I don't have a problem with athletes getting full cost of college but, I don't like any system that rubs it in our face ( sure, they have advantage in recruitment but we'll have to wait and see if upsets are a thing of the past...if it gets crazy enough then some players may stay in college and maybe there will be a trickle down effect on talent getting to mid-majors ). As for the Horizon League, better try to keep up ( with the Jones' of mid-majors at least ).
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Post by Cheerfan on Aug 9, 2014 15:14:57 GMT -5
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Post by Cheerfan on Aug 9, 2014 15:22:21 GMT -5
As for the Horizon League, better try to keep up ( with the Jones' of mid-majors at least ). BCS conferences are going to move fast and offer the "true cost of attendance" to student athletes which will amount to a stipend to cover costs that are not included in their scholarship. The articles talk about other conferences being able to vote to include these too in the future. At the very least the HL will need to follow suit and offer stipends for our revenue sport--men's basketball. The NCAA is going to be broken down into the Haves (BCS conferences), the wannabes (the mid-majors willing to offer stipends), and the have nots (conferences unwilling to offer stipends). We will never be in group one, but we can still be competitive if we are in group two. We might as well drop back down to D2 if we are going to be in group three. |
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Post by Big D on Aug 9, 2014 15:45:38 GMT -5
BCS conferences are going to move fast and offer the "true cost of attendance" to student athletes which will amount to a stipend to cover costs that are not included in their scholarship. The articles talk about other conferences being able to vote to include these too in the future. At the very least the HL will need to follow suit and offer stipends for our revenue sport--men's basketball. The NCAA is going to be broken down into the Haves (BCS conferences), the wannabes (the mid-majors willing to offer stipends), and the have nots (conferences unwilling to offer stipends). We will never be in group one, but we can still be competitive if we are in group two. We might as well drop back down to D2 if we are going to be in group three. WSU's president said in one of the above articles that if Wright State were to provide full cost of attendance to all of its athletes, it would cost the university over $1 million annually. Our current Athletic budget is around 10 million. I don't think that would be a realistic goal for Wright State or any other HL team. I don't think we could only offered stipends for men's basketball as you suggested because of Title IX. At the least I think we would have to offer them to the men's and women's teams which I think would be more than doable at Wright State. I hope it is also doable for the rest of the HL. My biggest fear would be that the HL as a whole voted to not offer stipends and it would put us at a competitive disadvantage when recruiting athletes. My second biggest fear would be if we did vote to offer stipends and in response, HL schools decide to drop sports to cover the cost of the stipends. I would hate to see Wright State drop cross country for example to cover the cost of stipends for the basketball teams. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen though. Every school dropped men's sports when Title IX was introduced. I fear the same will happen again. |
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Post by Doliboabros on Aug 9, 2014 21:39:39 GMT -5
I don't know if fans have their head in the sand or what, but if you look at other mid-major message boards no one is talking about this. This could very well be the beginning of the end for the NCAA and either no one seems to grasp that or they don't care. Unbelievable.
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Post by wh on Aug 10, 2014 19:55:32 GMT -5
I don't know if fans have their head in the sand or what, but if you look at other mid-major message boards no one is talking about this. This could very well be the beginning of the end for the NCAA and either no one seems to grasp that or they don't care. Unbelievable. We have been following this situation on the Valpo board for the past several months: Power-5 conferences flexing their muscleswww.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1678.0Another student athlete entitlement coming to a university near you?www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1887.0Believe me, we are as concerned as you are. |
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Post by Raider Alumni on Aug 11, 2014 11:41:46 GMT -5
You know the saying that when life gives you lemons make lemonade. I think this could be a chance for the HL to make a move up in the basketball world. As cheerfan already stated, the NCAA is going to get divided into 3 main groups: the BCS conferences who have the money to spend, the conferences who are going to try to keep up, and the ones that are going to stick with the status quo. We need the HL to be aggressive and be in the group of conferences that try to keep up, at least when it comes to our revenue producing sport: basketball. We should come out as a conference and make a state of the union statement that includes 3 key points:
1. The HL plans to include a cost of attendance stipend if/when the BCS conferences pass that legislation.
2. The HL is issuing a scheduling mandate for it's member schools. I read Big D's ideas on this over on Valpo's board and like his 3 basic guidelines: an all D1 schedule, 50% of your OOC games need to be home games, and you cannot play more than 3 road buy games a year.
3. The HL is setting a league minimum budget of 2 million a year to be spent on men's basketball.
I think those 3 items will set the HL up to be in the upper level of college basketball outside of the BCS conferences. More importantly I think it will help us with future HL expansion and retraction. There are going to be several conferences that are not going to vote to add a cost of attendance stipend either because they cannot afford it or because their conference won't find the benefit of having it because they accept that they are a low major. The OVC for example may not see the benefit of it or be able to afford it because they are a football first conference. This could really help the HL attract a school like Belmont that won't want to be at a competitive disadvantage in recruiting because they are not allowed to offer a stipend. I think there will be several other top schools from lower conferences trying to get into a conference like the HL that is trying to keep up. The other benefit of including the cost of attendance stipend and league wide minimum basketball budget is we might finally be able to get YSU to leave the HL. All HL teams already spend 2 million a year on basketball except Oakland, UWGB and YSU. Oakland is close at 1.725 million. Green Bay is at 1.4 million and YSU is at 1.3 million. I think Oakland and Green Bay will be willing to step up their spending. YSU won't and we can finally get rid of them.
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Post by wsutommygun on Aug 11, 2014 12:54:20 GMT -5
Raider Alumni, I probably wouldn't read the fine print unless it deals with WSU but, my understanding is that one of the big conferences might think $1,500 is enough and another thinks it should be $5,000. I remember back in the day when the starting quarterback for OSU not only had a brand new car but that it was customized. I don't know who will be policing this at the individual school, league, or BCS as a whole. I can see some of them swearing that a red-shirt freshman punter absolutely gets the same as a 3 time all-American. I understand that the AD from Michigan wouldn't walk across the street for a $100,000 donation but, if we keep up with other mid-majors ( and I think we should ), I'm afraid the quick fix will be to drop some non-revenue sport.
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Post by Indy Raider on Aug 13, 2014 18:43:36 GMT -5
You know the saying that when life gives you lemons make lemonade. I think this could be a chance for the HL to make a move up in the basketball world. As cheerfan already stated, the NCAA is going to get divided into 3 main groups: the BCS conferences who have the money to spend, the conferences who are going to try to keep up, and the ones that are going to stick with the status quo. We need the HL to be aggressive and be in the group of conferences that try to keep up, at least when it comes to our revenue producing sport: basketball. We should come out as a conference and make a state of the union statement that includes 3 key points: 1. The HL plans to include a cost of attendance stipend if/when the BCS conferences pass that legislation. 2. The HL is issuing a scheduling mandate for it's member schools. I read Big D's ideas on this over on Valpo's board and like his 3 basic guidelines: an all D1 schedule, 50% of your OOC games need to be home games, and you cannot play more than 3 road buy games a year. 3. The HL is setting a league minimum budget of 2 million a year to be spent on men's basketball. I think those 3 items will set the HL up to be in the upper level of college basketball outside of the BCS conferences. More importantly I think it will help us with future HL expansion and retraction. There are going to be several conferences that are not going to vote to add a cost of attendance stipend either because they cannot afford it or because their conference won't find the benefit of having it because they accept that they are a low major. The OVC for example may not see the benefit of it or be able to afford it because they are a football first conference. This could really help the HL attract a school like Belmont that won't want to be at a competitive disadvantage in recruiting because they are not allowed to offer a stipend. I think there will be several other top schools from lower conferences trying to get into a conference like the HL that is trying to keep up. The other benefit of including the cost of attendance stipend and league wide minimum basketball budget is we might finally be able to get YSU to leave the HL. All HL teams already spend 2 million a year on basketball except Oakland, UWGB and YSU. Oakland is close at 1.725 million. Green Bay is at 1.4 million and YSU is at 1.3 million. I think Oakland and Green Bay will be willing to step up their spending. YSU won't and we can finally get rid of them. Great post! |
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Post by Willie on Aug 17, 2014 9:05:08 GMT -5
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Post by Bomber on Sept 10, 2014 19:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by Sixth Man on Oct 23, 2014 19:12:09 GMT -5
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Post by Raidermania on Oct 25, 2014 12:01:05 GMT -5
I hope we don't throw all of our money into basketball at the expense of other sports.
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