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Post by Retired Coach on Mar 1, 2015 1:54:53 GMT -5
Yep. I am right. 8-7 does suck. We just suck even more without him. 8-7 is average. 1-10 sucks. On one hand, you have a decent shot to win on any given night. Guy like that gives you the chance to score on more possessions. Without him, and well, you see what has happened. Get a clue... What is your excuse now after that cluster of a game vs. UIC? Everyone played and we got our jocks handed to us by the crappiest team in the HL.
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Post by Raider3G on Mar 1, 2015 9:51:47 GMT -5
8-7 is average. 1-10 sucks. On one hand, you have a decent shot to win on any given night. Guy like that gives you the chance to score on more possessions. Without him, and well, you see what has happened. Get a clue... What is your excuse now after that cluster of a game vs. UIC? Everyone played and we got our jocks handed to us by the crappiest team in the HL. I wished you had stayed in the 70's. Disco and Astroturf at least had the decency to stop bothering us---also, humility doesn't hurt---I've pointed out things where you were wrong and you didn't respond on your prior posts, or admit you were wrong. At least I have the gonads to a) admit where I'm wrong, and b) respond when called out. There's not excuse for that lame ass performance, the team played like shit, and Donlon didn't get them ready to play...got the ass kicked and outplayed by a team that wanted it more--horrible performance by the PG's especially, and Karena. I'm just hopeful this team gets better in the tournament, now that Yoho and Davis have a game under their bets. I just don't think 8-8 with Yoho "sucks". You just assume I think that's a fine record and am ok with it--I'm not. I'm an alum and have been going to games since the 1980's, so I'm well-versed in WSU basketball history, and was a student during the Schilling era (so I know what "sucks" looks like). I just pointed out that it was what it was---average. Also, after the first YSU game (which was before Yoho's last game against CSU game) the team had an RPI of 85 (Indy Raider pointed out that in another post). The team was 10-8 at that point (8-7 against D-I).
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Post by kinvara on Mar 4, 2015 13:57:59 GMT -5
Oakland might be getting beat by the big boys but they are getting used to playing the big time teams. The coach realizes that 95% of the time his team is not getting an at large bid to the NCAA. He knows he has to win the Horizon League Tourney. Oakland is going to kill the HL if they do not learn to schedule like a mid-major. They are scheduling like a low major and it is hurting them and the HL. Conference RPI is based on the conference's D1 winning percentage. Oakland is 4-10 overall, but they are only 3-10 vs. D1 teams that count towards conference RPI. The HL's current RPI ranking is 14 with Oakland. Drop them from the calculation and we would be ranked 12. If all teams in the HL scheduled like them and had similar results, the HL would be ranked in the lower 20s which would make us a low major. The reason the HL has a decent TV contract with ESPN is because we are a top 10-15 ranked conference regularly. If we all scheduled like Oakland, you could kiss away seeing the conference on TV again because ESPN does not put low majors on their network very often. Oakland scheduling philosophy is also hurting them. They are 4-10. They aren't going to roll through the HL undefeated. They have 16 conference games plus the HL tournament to go. I doubt they finish the year above .500 but even if they do they are going to have a horrible record and RPI. If they win the HL tournament with that resume coming from the 14th rated conference in the country, the best they can hope for is to play at UD in the NCAA tournament play in game. That is not a sound mid-major scheduling philosophy and it is something they agreed to stop doing once they joined the conference. Hats off to hhgreen. Last December he pointed out how Oakland was getting ready for the Horizon League by playing the big time teams. And now Oakland has a plus .500 record and finished 11 and 5 in the Horizon League. Oakland got a bye and WSU, with the help of their creampuff OOC schedule, is already done for the season. Twenty years ago Temple and Louisville would play most of their OOC games on the road to toughen their teams up for the conference portion of their seasons, and they were both successful with that approach. There is a lot of Oakland bashing on this site, but at least for this year, Oakland's scheduling philosophy appears to have paid off.
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Post by Doliboabros on Mar 4, 2015 18:35:44 GMT -5
Oakland is going to kill the HL if they do not learn to schedule like a mid-major. They are scheduling like a low major and it is hurting them and the HL. Conference RPI is based on the conference's D1 winning percentage. Oakland is 4-10 overall, but they are only 3-10 vs. D1 teams that count towards conference RPI. The HL's current RPI ranking is 14 with Oakland. Drop them from the calculation and we would be ranked 12. If all teams in the HL scheduled like them and had similar results, the HL would be ranked in the lower 20s which would make us a low major. The reason the HL has a decent TV contract with ESPN is because we are a top 10-15 ranked conference regularly. If we all scheduled like Oakland, you could kiss away seeing the conference on TV again because ESPN does not put low majors on their network very often. Oakland scheduling philosophy is also hurting them. They are 4-10. They aren't going to roll through the HL undefeated. They have 16 conference games plus the HL tournament to go. I doubt they finish the year above .500 but even if they do they are going to have a horrible record and RPI. If they win the HL tournament with that resume coming from the 14th rated conference in the country, the best they can hope for is to play at UD in the NCAA tournament play in game. That is not a sound mid-major scheduling philosophy and it is something they agreed to stop doing once they joined the conference. Hats off to hhgreen. Last December he pointed out how Oakland was getting ready for the Horizon League by playing the big time teams. And now Oakland has a plus .500 record and finished 11 and 5 in the Horizon League. Oakland got a bye and WSU, with the help of their creampuff OOC schedule, is already done for the season. Twenty years ago Temple and Louisville would play most of their OOC games on the road to toughen their teams up for the conference portion of their seasons, and they were both successful with that approach. There is a lot of Oakland bashing on this site, but at least for this year, Oakland's scheduling philosophy appears to have paid off. And Big D was correct that Oakland's scheduling philosophy has killed the HL. We dropped down to 16th in conference ranking thanks to them. If everyone in the HL schedules like Oakland next year, the HL will be ranked around 30th. If Oakland does somehow manage to win the HL tournament, they are going to be a 15 or 16 seed in the NCAA tournament.
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Post by Black PantherU on Mar 4, 2015 18:59:52 GMT -5
We dropped in conference rankings due to having two anchors. Oakland absolutely needs to change the scheduling philosophy. There's enough tough games to be had that can be won and not torpedo the conference RPI.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Mar 4, 2015 19:41:47 GMT -5
actually three anchors. our 263 only helped drag the league down with uic and ysu.
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Post by bballraider on Mar 4, 2015 19:57:34 GMT -5
actually three anchors. our 263 only helped drag the league down with uic and ysu. Keith I wouldn't use the term actually in this case. As far as how it affects the conference, it's the out of conference rpi that matters the most and ours was 3rd best at around 125. Just like to get the facts straight. Once we play in conference, basically the HL team's OOC RPIs are just distributed among the HL. What we did do was screw the teams that played us out of conference, because we tanked in conference and hurt their OOC rpi. Check out OOC RPIs here: www.rpiforecast.com/confs/Horz.html
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Post by keithfromxenia on Mar 4, 2015 20:14:22 GMT -5
that is a valid point, bball. i have always wanted a site with ooc sos. thanks.
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Post by hhgreen on Mar 4, 2015 20:17:28 GMT -5
Oakland playing Iowa St., Clemson, Michigan St., Pittsburg, Arizona, Maryland was good for Oakland and good for the League. The only problem for the league was Oakland losing to W. Carolina, W. Michigan, E. Michigan. If they would have won those 3 games they would have had much higher RPI and brought the league up higher. Oakland would not have the in conference record they have if they did not play the competition they have played.
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Post by Big D on Mar 4, 2015 21:27:41 GMT -5
Oakland playing Iowa St., Clemson, Michigan St., Pittsburg, Arizona, Maryland was good for Oakland and good for the League. The only problem for the league was Oakland losing to W. Carolina, W. Michigan, E. Michigan. If they would have won those 3 games they would have had much higher RPI and brought the league up higher. Oakland would not have the in conference record they have if they did not play the competition they have played. I have already explained this in the past and you either do not understand it or keep choosing to ignore it. Conference RPI is ALMOST SOLELY based on winning prcentage vs. D1 competition. Oakland's losses to Iowa St., Clemson, Michigan St., Pittsburg, Arizona, and Maryland were not good for the HL. They may have prepared Oakland to compete in the HL but they most certainly were not good for the conference's RPI. That isn't my opinion. It is a fact. Of the 15 conferences ranked higher than the HL, only 2 had tougher OOC SOS than the HL. All of them had better winning percentages than us. www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html
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Post by hhgreen on Mar 5, 2015 6:20:15 GMT -5
I agree that Oakland could have scheduled a couple less buyout games but had they won their OOC with the peons they could have helped the cause. Losing to the school of the deaf and blind does not help that either. I guess the Horizon League should have a scolding to the bottom feeders in the Horizon League after this year.
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Post by Raider3G on Mar 8, 2015 7:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by gerb on Mar 8, 2015 8:21:32 GMT -5
See, you guys? Don't pay any attention to RPI or SOS or our record. This is undeniable evidence of the fact that we had an awesome season! Of the five D-1 non-conference opponents we beat, 80% of them are still alive (Miami starts the MAC tourney tomorrow as the 9 seed out of 11)! Sure, we lost 69% of our D1 games overall and squandered a 19-point lead in the first round of the postseason, but when you really look at that first statistic, we had one hell of a season. Hats off to Donlon and his staff for representing our university so well.
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Post by Raider3G on Mar 8, 2015 9:15:50 GMT -5
See, you guys? Don't pay any attention to RPI or SOS or our record. This is undeniable evidence of the fact that we had an awesome season! Of the five D-1 non-conference opponents we beat, 80% of them are still alive (Miami starts the MAC tourney tomorrow as the 9 seed out of 11)! Sure, we lost 69% of our D1 games overall and squandered a 19-point lead in the first round of the postseason, but when you really look at that first statistic, we had one hell of a season. Hats off to Donlon and his staff for representing our university so well. Well...if you want to get really technical, how are the D-II wins doing?
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Post by hhgreen on Mar 8, 2015 11:17:09 GMT -5
Gerb you running for President?
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