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Post by Big D on Feb 14, 2015 20:30:34 GMT -5
I know of a team with only 6 scholarship players and a walk-on. They're tied for 1st in their league and and a projected 7 - 9 seed in the NCAA Did you also know that those 6 players were all top 150 recruits out of high school, have previous D1 experience, including going to the Elite 8 last year? Did you know that our team is down to 1 scholarship player with any D1 experience and 1 JUCO transfer and a bunch of true freshmen, none of which were anywhere near been ranked as recruits, let alone top 150 recruits? I wonder what Wright State could do if our athletic budget was 2.5 times the size of our current budget every year and we were in a top 10 basketball conference with a top 20 attendance every year.
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Post by mrose on Feb 14, 2015 20:53:14 GMT -5
Whose fault is it WSU hasn't been to a recent NCAA, subsequently giving any returning players experience?
Whose fault is it the current roster is devoid of talent to compete for a H.L. title this year?
I'm going to guess based on your previous reply it's your fault, along with mine, and all the other donors. After all, Billy can't do the above mentioned because he doesn't have enough money to do the job, right? Oh, yeah, let's not to forget and blame all the people who don't come to games.
Enough with the excuses. That other team isn't playing in a vacuum. They're competing against other programs with top 150 talent on their rosters. They're beating teams in that same top 10 conference. They're winning games against teams with larger budgets than WSU's.
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Post by Jazzfan on Feb 14, 2015 21:08:07 GMT -5
I already stated in the first page of this thread why student ticket distribution changed. We don't give out tickets to students in advance because we were giving out 1000s of tickets that were never used or not being used by students. Students would pick up tickets and not show up to games to use them or they would give them away to non-students which was costing us revenue. The decision was made to try to bring in as many paying fans as we can. I'm not sure I understand how this loses revenue? Are you saying printing all the tickets that go unused is lost revenue? If that is the case then it doesn't make sense that currently a large stack of tickets are printed off and handed out to students as they swipe their ID, I would have to imagine a large number of those go unused as well. We were losing revenue when students would take student tickets and either sell them to non students or given them to non students. The loss of revenue was the loss of a ticket sale to the non student who used a student ticket to get into games.
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Post by Big D on Feb 14, 2015 21:28:05 GMT -5
Whose fault is it WSU hasn't been to a recent NCAA, subsequently giving any returning players experience? We had enough experience on our roster to compete in or conference before Sledge got kicked off the team, Yoho got suspended, and we lost 5 players to injuries. Whose fault is it the current roster is devoid of talent to compete for a H.L. title this year? Once again, I'm going to go with the player that got kicked off the team and the 5 players who are injured. I think if we had the roster now that we thought we were going to have coming into this season we would be in the top 1/2 of the conference today. I'm going to guess based on your previous reply it's your fault, along with mine, and all the other donors. After all, Billy can't do the above mentioned because he doesn't have enough money to do the job, right? Oh, yeah, let's not to forget and blame all the people who don't come to games. Enough with the excuses. That other team isn't playing in a vacuum. They're competing against other programs with top 150 talent on their rosters. They're beating teams in that same top 10 conference. They're winning games against teams with larger budgets than WSU's. If you cannot understand the impact that spending money has on success in college athletics, we really don't have anything else to discuss here.
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Post by mrose on Feb 14, 2015 22:04:47 GMT -5
Of course, money has an impact. But it is all relative. It is completely disjointed to say one school, with a similar and relative roster situation as WSU's but in a top-10 league, is successful in their comparative league because of money and then say WSU with their roster situation isn't successful this year, in the Horizon League, is due to money.
You have the data. I bet both are in the upper quartile of their respective league with Men's basketball budgets. One is having success in their league one is not. That relative disparity is not explained away by citing money or a roster limited to 6 or 7.
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Post by Raider Country on Feb 14, 2015 23:23:24 GMT -5
HL Athletic Budgets:$14,369,971 Detroit $13,982,859 Illinois-Chicago $13,632,988 Youngstown State $13,483,137 Valparaiso $12,668,104 Oakland $12,488,007 Milwaukee $11,290,814 Cleveland State $10,173,926 Wright State $7,443,576 Green Bay www.bbstate.com/info/schools-budget
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 15, 2015 14:06:17 GMT -5
You have to take into context that many of these schools field football teams.
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Post by Indy Raider on Feb 15, 2015 15:06:23 GMT -5
You have to take into context that many of these schools field football teams. YSU and Valpo are the only schools that field a football team
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 15, 2015 15:17:25 GMT -5
Right, so that's not really comparing apples to apples.
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Post by Raidermania on Feb 15, 2015 15:24:07 GMT -5
Right, so that's not really comparing apples to apples. None of it is apples to apples. Each school sponsors different sports. Those 2 sponsor football. One is scholarship. One isn't. Some schools sponsor baseball. Other don't. Detroit sponsors Lacrosse. I don't think any other HL school does. Each school also gets to decide how the manage their books for their budgets. For example, do we count the Nutter Center up keep in our athletic budget funds or is that part of the universities general funding. There is no way to know how each school does their book keeping.
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Post by Big D on Feb 15, 2015 15:45:08 GMT -5
Basketball only HL Budgets:$2,507,046 Detroit $2,189,220 Cleveland State $2,029,536 Wright State $2,001,213 Valparaiso $1,925,114 Milwaukee $1,839,018 Illinois-Chicago $1,728,287 Oakland $1,399,814 Green Bay $1,323,788 Youngstown State www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudget/_/HL
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Post by Black PantherU on Feb 15, 2015 21:01:23 GMT -5
Green Bay will likely not be in the conference in 10 years. They have no room to grow their budget.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 16, 2015 0:40:27 GMT -5
And continue to be a dominant force on the hardwood, both men and women. They are obviously doing something right.
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Post by Black PantherU on Feb 16, 2015 9:02:51 GMT -5
And continue to be a dominant force on the hardwood, both men and women. They are obviously doing something right. They haven't been in the conference title game in almost two decades. They have one regular season title, last year. I wouldn't call that a dominant force. The women? Absolutely. Costs less to dominate there. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards
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Post by OG Raiderfan on Feb 16, 2015 10:59:46 GMT -5
Green Bay will likely not be in the conference in 10 years. They have no room to grow their budget. Sure they do. You commented on Oakland increasing their budget this year on your message board. You do realize the only reason they increased their budget was because they played a 1/2 dozen buy games on the road vs. BCS schools. If nothing else, Green Bay can play more buy games to supplement their budget. They can also minimally fund all other sports besides basketball to keep their basketball budget competitive. Green Bay isn't going anywhere. The whole idea that they are is just wishful thinking from a jealous UWM fan.
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