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Post by SportsFan on Jan 27, 2015 12:04:36 GMT -5
I don't know how we are possibly winning games without Meyer. I mean, he's averaging 6 minutes a game at Nebraska-Omaha...
If Sledge didn't get kicked off, and Yoho and Davis stayed healthy, we would be set in the frontcourt. Which current player or commit would you trade to have Meyer back?
Which HL coach would you want instead?
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Post by jumbojimbo on Jan 27, 2015 12:50:55 GMT -5
A friend of ours, who happens to be a UD fan, but who likes WSU as well, says the so-called "word-on-the-street" is that Donlon isn't a D-I coach. Whether he is or isn't is beyond my pay grade. He has been given a good time line to prove himself at WSU. At the end of that time the powers that be will have to decide, by his recruiting, schedulng, and record if he is a coach likely to lead WSU to greater success in the future in terms of NCAA/NIT appearances and top 3 or 4 finishes in the current HL. In time, if the HL becomes diluted in terms of its quality of teams even that final criteria may not be very meaningful. Personally I think Donlon and the Commish are both on the line, or should be, for their futures. For starters, next season I'd like to see us play a stronger schedule with 50% of our games at home with a team that is competative in every game. If that comes to past I will be in his corner. A friend of yours says word on the street. Surely you are joking.
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Post by wolf41 on Jan 27, 2015 13:10:26 GMT -5
Actually, I'm very serious.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Jan 27, 2015 13:24:11 GMT -5
I think the point to be made is: Are we better off, as a program, than we were when Billy took over the program after Brownell left for Clemson. You would expect a HC taking over a familiar program, who takes over after the HC moves on should be able to progress the program in its entirety to be in a better place year after year. What I mean is, you don't expect there to be a 'learning curve' for someone like BD.
So- has the program gotten better in the last 4 years? I say no. I think the rest of the NCAA can probably recognize that...When BD finally leaves WSU I don't think he will be called to lead a power conference like Brownell was. You have to prove it (like BB did) to earn that paycheck. We've got scheduling issues, disciplinary problems, recruiting issues. We don't protect our home court like we did under BB, and even though we somehow continue to lead this league in attendance every year, the overall atmosphere is down, and so is student turnout. So I say the program is down.
We've got some quality players, we've got a couple of nice wins over Detroit and Belmont this season, but that's about all you would be able to put on a season highlight reel at this point. However, I think the AD is very happy where BD is, because hey, at least we're competing in the league, and we're getting decent turnout a few nights a year. We all have seen the strides teams like Gonzaga, Butler, VCU, Wichita etc. have made over the last 10 years, and all wish this program would lean that direction, as opposed to where we currently are.
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Post by bballraider on Jan 27, 2015 13:32:20 GMT -5
A friend of ours, who happens to be a UD fan, but who likes WSU as well, says the so-called "word-on-the-street" is that Donlon isn't a D-I coach. Whether he is or isn't is beyond my pay grade. He has been given a good time line to prove himself at WSU. At the end of that time the powers that be will have to decide, by his recruiting, schedulng, and record if he is a coach likely to lead WSU to greater success in the future in terms of NCAA/NIT appearances and top 3 or 4 finishes in the current HL. In time, if the HL becomes diluted in terms of its quality of teams even that final criteria may not be very meaningful. Personally I think Donlon and the Commish are both on the line, or should be, for their futures. For starters, next season I'd like to see us play a stronger schedule with 50% of our games at home with a team that is competative in every game. If that comes to past I will be in his corner. A friend of yours says word on the street. Surely you are joking. I'm with JumboJimbo on this...word on the street from a UD fan, that's funny! Especially when the fans and announcers of the teams we play all comment about us being well coached. Do I think Donlon is a great coach? not yet, but he is good and can get better? Recruting and Scheduling are both difficult at a decent mid-major school. Scheduling has to have a lot of chips fall into place, especially if you want 50% of games at home without non-D1 games. Getting really good players to come to Wright State is not as easy as showing up and saying we want you, especially big men. There is not an over abundance of good men ready to step right in and play D1 ball. You have to take chances on big men, as they still need to develop their bodies and post moves to compete in D1. Sometimes they don't work out, sometimes they do, but it takes time, and there are plenty of examples in WSU history to show this.
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Post by wolf41 on Jan 27, 2015 15:08:30 GMT -5
Well the friend is a UD fan, but they are Catholic, so what can you expect. But our friend did not go to UD, but rather to Miami. Scheduling doesn't seem to be as big of a problem as it is at WSU, because other schools just don't want to come here(?). We use to schedule a bunch of MAC schools AND they beat us, so now why are they now leery of coming to WSU? Yes it is hard to get big men,and yet we have had success doing that in the past. Lately we have struggled with it. Maybe it's because we have 10 guards listed in the program.
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Post by raidergrad98 on Jan 27, 2015 18:32:03 GMT -5
You're going to use Meyer as an example of someone we shouldn't have let get away? Seriously? He was a late signing, very largely unseen. Did you ever see the kid warm up? He missed layups in pregame for pete's sake and it looked like he was slogging through molasses just to get to the paint. This year, his 78 minutes of playing time are last on the team and his 27 points account for a mere 1.8% of the team's points scored this season. His season-high was 15 minutes against a DIII school and his output was 6 points against a team that had no one taller than 6'6" (and even that kid doesn't average more than a few points per game); his only saving grace was double digit rebounds, expected against a team you're the better part of 4" taller than (by the way, no blocks that game). Take the better games on their schedule like Nebraska and K-State (and they're not exactly lighting-up college hoops this year): he did a whole 'lotta nothing. He's had 7 points since the 10th of December and that was in just one game. Round it out with a summit-league schedule and his performance still would be far short of what we would expect: this is the very reason he's not on our roster. No other.
If you wanna call out Billy as a recruiter, you better chuck up a better explanation than the brick you just tossed; you're not even touching net I'm afraid.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Jan 29, 2015 12:30:39 GMT -5
two thoughts. first, 98 & 51 don't be surprised if parker and lett have stats similar to Meyer next season. all three look like big time projects to me. caveat, i have seen none of the three play, just basing it on the dearth of scholarship offers for each of these.
second, 09 has a question that deserves an answer. has the program gotten better under bd's leadership. Well, let's take a look at some facts. under four years of bb we had an average rpi of 84, with 3 of 4 years an rpi below 100. we won an average of 21 games with one dance. under bd we have won an average of 17.5 games per year with an average rpi of 160 and no dances.
I guess, 09, everyone needs to judge for themselves.
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Post by wolf41 on Jan 29, 2015 13:07:31 GMT -5
The only HL stats that jump out at me after 8 games are as follows.
1. The opponents are shooting 11% better from the line than we are. We are now around 63% from the line in our 8 HL games.
2. The opponents are averaging 9 more boards per game than we are.
3. WSU has been called for 25 more fouls than our 8 opponents, which has given them 24 more points from the line.
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Post by Dr J on Jan 29, 2015 20:54:43 GMT -5
I would think that a lot of the 9 rebounds are offensive rebounds for put back points. Some of that is height related but some is style of play. The reason we have more fouls is related to style of offense not creating fouls on the opponents and part on not using zone defense at times to protect the bigs. It has been that way since BD became HC. He also doesn't seem to believe in continuing the same style of play when we get a ten point lead to win big. He changes and deflates our players not the opponents. We should continue pushing til the opponent makes us change.
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Post by hhgreen on Jan 30, 2015 13:52:39 GMT -5
Dr J you are correct on all points.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Jan 30, 2015 16:40:48 GMT -5
two thoughts. first, 98 & 51 don't be surprised if parker and lett have stats similar to Meyer next season. all three look like big time projects to me. caveat, i have seen none of the three play, just basing it on the dearth of scholarship offers for each of these. second, 09 has a question that deserves an answer. has the program gotten better under bd's leadership. Well, let's take a look at some facts. under four years of bb we had an average rpi of 84, with 3 of 4 years an rpi below 100. we won an average of 21 games with one dance. under bd we have won an average of 17.5 games per year with an average rpi of 160 and no dances. I guess, 09, everyone needs to judge for themselves. Thanks for getting back with me, I thought I got buried under the discussion of our lack of recruiting. But the question really didn't need to be answered. I know the answer, anyone who goes to games on a regular basis knows the answer, hell anyone in Dayton who picks up a paper probably knows the answer. I feel that under the tenure of BD, we have moved backwards. So far this year, that trend has continued. I hope we turn it around next season, and there some of the notions mentioned make me feel good about our chances of doing so. It's frustrating that the athletic department seems okay with our continual backsliding. I'm not a season ticketholder anymore since we moved to "that state up north"...but if I was, I'd be voicing my displeasure.
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Post by Dr J on Jan 31, 2015 16:59:23 GMT -5
Was watching the North Carolina-Louisville game. Can't believe Roy Williams and Rick Pitino are so uniformed about basketball strategy. Their players were trying to get offensive rebounds instead of all five of them running to the other end as fast as they can.
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Post by Big D on Jan 31, 2015 17:26:56 GMT -5
Was watching the North Carolina-Louisville game. Can't believe Roy Williams and Rick Pitino are so uniformed about basketball strategy. Their players were trying to get offensive rebounds instead of all five of them running to the other end as fast as they can. I am more worried that many of our own fans are so uninformed that they cannot see the difference in the type of player a BCS coach can recruit vs. what a mid-major coach can recruit. Any coach is going to adjust his game plan to his teams strengths, not to what some fans want. Ed Schillings was all about offense and sending 4 men to the glass. We didn't win many games under Ed's leadership. Donlon is very far from being a great coach, but he has done a very good job making adjustments this year. With the state our roster is in due to players getting kicked off, injuries, and having to play so many freshmen, I don't think there is another coach in the HL that could be doing much better right now. We are having a rough transition year. I believe it will lead to one heck of a rebound year next year. If any of you truly think you can do better I suggest you send your resume to Bob Grant. With the rough year we are having I am sure he could use a good laugh.
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Post by Dr J on Jan 31, 2015 18:46:01 GMT -5
BigD, we just disagree and that is ok. This is not just this year but has been his pattern since HC. We had height last couple of years but still out rebounded in most games. You compare him to ES because he would look better. But why not compare him to RU. His style and philosophy and win-loss percentage.
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