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Post by Indy Raider on Mar 18, 2016 16:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by Big D on Mar 18, 2016 20:09:05 GMT -5
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Post by CincyDrummer on Mar 18, 2016 21:46:07 GMT -5
I'd just like to chime in and say that I'm satisfied with Grant's response, and I appreciate the details that he's provided. This being said, I do wish that it would have been handled in a more thorough and professional manner, but it is what it is and we move forward from here. Good luck to everyone involved and I can't wait to see what develops from here. I hope we've learned some lessons from how this has been handled.
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Post by wsu74 on Mar 18, 2016 21:47:12 GMT -5
I really want Wright State to succeed, but I honestly cannot believe what comes out of Grant's mouth. They waited so long because they do not have the money and if they reassign Billy and force him to quit they save their money> Only my thought but.....
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Post by Nutt House on Mar 18, 2016 21:57:05 GMT -5
I really want Wright State to succeed, but I honestly cannot believe what comes out of Grant's mouth. They waited so long because they do not have the money and if they reassign Billy and force him to quit they save their money> Only my thought but..... You should keep your crazy conspiracy theories to yourself. Wright State has donors lined up to pay for Billy's buyout.
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Post by wsu74 on Mar 18, 2016 22:09:24 GMT -5
Well I hope they do, but quote Per policy and in the interest of fairness to both parties the university's position was to maintain confidentiality until such time as Donlon's future role with the university was determined. Does not sound like they were just going to give him his payment without a fight.
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Post by raidergrad98 on Mar 23, 2016 21:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by Class of '83 on Mar 23, 2016 22:20:47 GMT -5
I think Vest summed it up well. Like the move or not, Donlon isn't coming back. It time for Raider fans to rally behind our players and whoever our new coach will be.
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Post by jumbojimbo on Mar 24, 2016 8:50:41 GMT -5
Vest said what I think, he just said it a lot nicer than I wanted to.
The post I never finished was going to say that Donlon is a scapegoat for the failings of the athletic department. Blaming the lack of fan engagement on Billy unfairly dodges the athletic department's responsibility in the downward trend. If you are going to fire Donlon then you damn sure better be able to say your athletic department does an outstanding job and left no stone un-turned in the pursuit of excellence.
Vest puts Mack's comments in perspective. That within the limitations of the HL, expecting us to be a perennial top 100 program is not realistic. With our HL conference schedule there isn't a lot of room in the non-conference schedule to get us into the top 100. Again, if you are going to say that Billy didn't find a way to schedule home games against high mid majors and low majors then you better be damn sure our athletic department gave him the resources to make that possible.
Judge Donlon to a high standard, that's fine. What surprised/disappointed me in his firing is that rest of the althetic dept doesn't hold itself (and the rest of the HL) to the same standards. And Donlon leaving doesn't fix that problem.
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Post by alvo on Mar 24, 2016 11:32:46 GMT -5
Vest said what I think, he just said it a lot nicer than I wanted to. The post I never finished was going to say that Donlon is a scapegoat for the failings of the athletic department. Blaming the lack of fan engagement on Billy unfairly dodges the athletic department's responsibility in the downward trend. If you are going to fire Donlon then you damn sure better be able to say your athletic department does an outstanding job and left no stone un-turned in the pursuit of excellence. Vest puts Mack's comments in perspective. That within the limitations of the HL, expecting us to be a perennial top 100 program is not realistic. With our HL conference schedule there isn't a lot of room in the non-conference schedule to get us into the top 100. Again, if you are going to say that Billy didn't find a way to schedule home games against high mid majors and low majors then you better be damn sure our athletic department gave him the resources to make that possible. Judge Donlon to a high standard, that's fine. What surprised/disappointed me in his firing is that rest of the althetic dept doesn't hold itself (and the rest of the HL) to the same standards. And Donlon leaving doesn't fix that problem. I think there's a difference between being a perennial top 100 team and being a top 100 team just once in 6 seasons, especially coming off an NCAA tournament appearance. It's really a strawman argument to suggest the requirement being asked is a top 100 program each year. It's not even about multiple NCAA appearances - it's about having a program that makes the NIT once, or finishes a game out of the regular season title, or perhaps even win the regular season. It's NOT too unrealistic for any Horizon League team (sans YSU lol) to enter into the top 100 RPI once in 6 seasons. Valpo was able to post an RPI of 50 with a weak non-conf schedule in 2014 and 3 conference losses. Cleveland State has been top 100 in 5 of their past 10 years. In the past 6 years, only YSU, UIC, and NKU have had a worse top RPI (Wright State had a 131 RPI in 2010, their best under Donlon). There's really no reason why IPFW should have more top 100 seasons in the past 6 years than a Horizon League team. But if that's the standard, the Horizon might as well let IUPUI and IPFW in for geographical reasons.
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Post by Dr J on Mar 24, 2016 14:08:32 GMT -5
Jumbojimbo, you seem to be trying to place blame on someone. Coaching is a profession that status quo usually doesn't cut it unless that status quo is consistently being a top rated team. Every team has a standard, usually set by the big donors, for the coach. I would imagine every coach understands that. Yes many times the direction a program takes depends on those people. You think the athletic department is to blame for attendance decreasing when the people not renewing are saying they are tired of the boring style of play under BD and the program not moving forward. People say in the HL you can't get good bigger players. Well I think that some programs have good bigs. No not premiere but good. I was not in favor of getting rid of BD this year but would be next year if he didn't change a lot. But, I will as Vest said, accept it and move forward and support the players and the new coach.
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Post by Raider3G on Mar 24, 2016 19:49:05 GMT -5
Jumbojimbo, you seem to be trying to place blame on someone. Coaching is a profession that status quo usually doesn't cut it unless that status quo is consistently being a top rated team. Every team has a standard, usually set by the big donors, for the coach. I would imagine every coach understands that. Yes many times the direction a program takes depends on those people. You think the athletic department is to blame for attendance decreasing when the people not renewing are saying they are tired of the boring style of play under BD and the program not moving forward. People say in the HL you can't get good bigger players. Well I think that some programs have good bigs. No not premiere but good. I was not in favor of getting rid of BD this year but would be next year if he didn't change a lot. But, I will as Vest said, accept it and move forward and support the players and the new coach. No he's not. He's only agreeing with Mark Vest's opinion on this, which is very well stated. Grant's reasons for the firing are all valid, but only in the long-term if it is backed up by a consistent plan to allow that type of achievement to be more feasible (across all aspects of the program and its resources) not just in a 2-3 year shot type of deal.
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Post by jumbojimbo on Mar 24, 2016 21:53:02 GMT -5
If the only thing you take out of Vests comments is is to "give it up and move on", then you weren't reading very closely.
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