|
Post by Raider Alumni on Jan 24, 2019 9:28:43 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by wsutommygun on Jan 24, 2019 10:53:56 GMT -5
Read on RaiderRoundball that Fox45 took that report and got a response from the union that disputed those numbers. Trying to remain impartial but, you always get a little nervous on something like a school release that doesn't involve both sides and the students input. So, not sure what to think.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 14:17:49 GMT -5
The union knows the real numbers. Union leadership usually asks picketers if they know of anybody from their departments who are crossing the line, so they know who and how many. And students are telling them what is going on inside the classrooms.
Before the strike, HR sent emails to union members asking how many planned to work during the strike. The union told their members to reply by saying that they plan to work, even if they don't. Then they simply don’t show up to the surprise of the administration. Those are misleading replies because they could be working anywhere ... just not at WSU. So when the administration says that 43-percent of union members are teaching or WILL BE teaching, they might be making some false assumptions. Considering that 85-percent voted to strike, it is probably safer to say that only about 15-percent crossed the picket line.
FWIW … There is a student in my office that has gone to five classes so far this week ... he's the only student in my office, so I am not intentionally cherry-picking. Three of his classes had no instructors, while another was taught by substitute TAs (teaching assistants who are students). He has had his assigned instructor in just 1-of-5 classes and was told only a few minutes ago that they are still looking for somebody to teach a couple of his classes. His experience is not as rosy as the official statements being put out by the administration.
|
|
|
Post by raiderrunt on Jan 24, 2019 15:09:18 GMT -5
The union knows the real numbers. Union leadership usually asks picketers if they know of anybody from their departments who are crossing the line, so they know who and how many. And students are telling them what is going on inside the classrooms. Before the strike, HR sent emails to union members asking how many planned to work during the strike. The union told their members to reply by saying that they plan to work, even if they don't. Then they simply don’t show up to the surprise of the administration. Those are misleading replies because they could be working anywhere ... just not at WSU. So when the administration says that 43-percent of union members are teaching or WILL BE teaching, they might be making some false assumptions. Considering that 85-percent voted to strike, it is probably safer to say that only about 15-percent crossed the picket line. FWIW … There is a student in my office that has gone to five classes so far this week ... he's the only student in my office, so I am not intentionally cherry-picking. Three of his classes had no instructors, while another was taught by substitute TAs (teaching assistants who are students). He has had his assigned instructor in just 1-of-5 classes and was told only a few minutes ago that they are still looking for somebody to teach a couple of his classes. His experience is not as rosy as the official statements being put out by the administration. Holy crap! That doesn't speak well of the union telling their members to lie. Picket line, really? That is so 1970s. These are not oppressed mine workers in dangerous conditions, forced to work weekends and underpaid. These are highly educated, fairly well paid professionals. I do not look kindly on this strike, when WSU is trying to recover from all the poor financial decisions they made. The worst part is the poor students are caught in the middle and this may be impacting the sports programs which is how it ties into this message board.
|
|
|
Post by wsutommygun on Jan 24, 2019 15:23:52 GMT -5
You could have a great case against a criminal and you'd still want your client to plead not guilty. Once that happens then the prosecutor has to decide how to proceed and may settle for something less to keep it from going to court. I don't have a problem with the union giving them guidance...kind of what you expect.
Both sides want to "win" over the public. Staying home and not walking the picket line wouldn't move things along to resolve this.
That is why I prefer to see anything include comments from both sides and student input.
Never been employed by WSU and never belonged to a labor union.
|
|
|
Post by wsutommygun on Jan 24, 2019 16:12:01 GMT -5
Not sure what the financial problems have to do with this contract. Are you saying this union is responsible or should be made to "pay" somehow? If I were the union, I'd want to know the school is being fair and bringing up the overall finances would make me question the motives.
I wouldn't expect them to accept conditions that both sides didn't agree with.
Hope it ends soon.
|
|
|
Post by raider85 on Jan 24, 2019 17:26:09 GMT -5
A full professor at Wright State makes $119,000 a year while the lowest level make $56,000, not to mention probably excellent benefits. Most people would love to make that much money. Try working for a small private company like me with no benefits including no health care. They get no sympathy from me.
|
|
|
Post by wsutommygun on Jan 24, 2019 18:37:11 GMT -5
Raider85, if this goes on long enough there may be faculty openings, get your resume ready.
Each morning I hope to see that a tentative agreement has been reached. Never thought a strike would happen.
|
|
|
Post by Raider Alumni on Jan 24, 2019 19:13:58 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Raider Alumni on Jan 24, 2019 19:31:11 GMT -5
Not sure what the financial problems have to do with this contract. Are you saying this union is responsible or should be made to "pay" somehow? If I were the union, I'd want to know the school is being fair and bringing up the overall finances would make me question the motives. You don't know what WSU's financial problems have to do with this contract. It has absolutely everything to do with the contract for 2 reasons. 1. WSU's current financials woes are in part due to our faculty and their overspending. Our last President and administration is mostly to blame for our financial woes because they used up all of our financial reserves and let our faculty overspend. They should have put a stop to it years ago but the faculty contributed to the University getting into the mess to begin with. The faculty also contributing to our financial woes with this whole strike. This PR nightmare is hurting our enrollment now and for the near future. You cannot improve finances without increasing enrollment. This is going to hurt our finances for several years. 2. The bigger reason it matters is because every business has to make money to spend money. There are several big name companies that have been going under in the new the last few years. Kmart, JCPenny, etc. Do you think any of those companies gave their employees raises when they weren't making money? Our faculty is insane to think that WSU is going to give them raises when we are barely in the black. If they want Wright State to reward them they need to be part of the solution to increasing enrollment, not the damn cause of it going down.
|
|
|
Post by wsutommygun on Jan 24, 2019 20:04:42 GMT -5
This is a 2020 contract, how many years are you going to whine about what happened in the past? There are a lot of faculty not part of this strike, how do I know this one union went over budget without someone giving the okay?
Seems to me that every department was asked to make cuts in the past. If WSU wants the best faculty they may not have to compete with Harvard but, they better keep up with the other state schools in Ohio. Even then, I am not sure I remember them striking for pay ( but I could be wrong ). This furlough garbage that may or may not be a problem is one thing to drop.
Since I don't have a reason to favor one side over the other, the PR nightmare has to be shared by the university that didn't get this settled.
As far as companies having a good idea, that doesn't mean they should keep expanding until they are bankrupt ( when so much is purchased on line ). What is your solution, close down the university and start over? Maybe we should say that coaches pay can't be justified or administration or whatever. ( I do know that the salary for men's basketball coach was based on a scale for the kind of coach we wanted ).
|
|
|
Post by raiderfan14 on Jan 24, 2019 20:08:41 GMT -5
If you can’t do it, teach it.
|
|
|
Post by Raider Alumni on Jan 24, 2019 20:36:16 GMT -5
No, the strike is over the 2019 contract that WSU just imposed after both sides sat down with an impartial mutually agreed upon mediator and the mediator recommended this contract. how many years are you going to whine about what happened in the past? Don't quite understand WTF you are talking about. We are barely on track to make a profit this year. If we agreed to the faculty demands we would lose money this year. If Wright State loses money this year we risk going under fiscal watch by the state. If WSU wants the best faculty they may not have to compete with Harvard but, they better keep up with the other state schools in Ohio. Even then, I am not sure I remember them striking for pay ( but I could be wrong ). This furlough garbage that may or may not be a problem is one thing to drop. You might want to read some of the articles in the thread before you post. Wright State ALREADY pays their faculty more than than the average in the state of Ohio. As far as companies having a good idea, that doesn't mean they should keep expanding until they are bankrupt ( when so much is purchased on line ). What is your solution, close down the university and start over? My solution is pretty damn simple, you freeze spending until you get profitable. That is what Wright State is trying to do. That is what any good company does. I work for Miami Valley Hospital. Premier Health is the number one employer in the Miami Valley. They ran into some financial problems about 5 years ago. We went 2 years in a row without a pay raise. We didn't fill open jobs. Premier Health changed their medical insurance carrier and passed on some of the cost to their employees. Pretty much everything Wright State is doing now. Premier is making money again and employees are getting raises again. Open jobs are getting filled now. All that was possible because Premier made changes to get profitable again. Wright State has to do the same to survive and the union needs to be part of the solution. 2/3 of our faculty is not part of the union. 85% of all the people that work at WSU are not part of the union striking. That 85% is trying to help WSU turn the corner. Maybe we should say that coaches pay can't be justified or administration or whatever. ( I do know that the salary for men's basketball coach was based on a scale for the kind of coach we wanted ). there have been countless studies on the positive PR athletics brings to universities. Our AD tweeted out a story last summer about the PR effect of our NCAA tournament run for WSU last year. I cannot remember for sur the exact number but Wright State got something like 15 million in free advertising from our trip to the NCAAs. I'm pretty sure that alone earned Nagy's keep for years to come.
|
|
|
Post by Big D on Jan 24, 2019 20:47:06 GMT -5
there have been countless studies on the positive PR athletics brings to universities. Our AD tweeted out a story last summer about the PR effect of our NCAA tournament run for WSU last year. I cannot remember for sure the exact number but Wright State got something like 15 million in free advertising from our trip to the NCAAs. I'm pretty sure that alone earned Nagy's keep for years to come. Not the exact stat about our NCAA tournament run but this quote is from the impact study about all of WSU athletics I'll take 47 million off of a 12 million budget.
|
|
|
Post by wsutommygun on Jan 24, 2019 21:48:49 GMT -5
Coach Nagy is great and I'm glad WSU looked beyond just HL salaries when deciding how much needed to be spent. ( Not sure how many leagues were looked at but, got in the ballpark of where it needed to ).
Pretty sure Schrader said that the contract was 2020 but, would go into effect as soon as it was agreed on ( for whatever it is worth ).
Good PR from basketball or anything else doesn't really pay the bills. The bottom line when it comes to a watch is what it is.
The governor appoints trustees, not sure who picks the ones for Premier Health but, probably a lot of things happen at universities that are different than most companies.
If WSU did sock it to this union, isn't it possible after a number of years the pay and benefits could be surpassed by other state universities?
After awhile I feel like messing with you. I have no control over the situation ( promise ).
Anyway, no matter what you think of the system, I expect it to be settled. And, hope to avoid any more looks at this thread. Good luck to both sides.
|
|