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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 27, 2014 4:44:54 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with league guidelines when it comes to scheduling but, other than teams actually making a tournament, I'm not sure that I want anyone else to be treated differently. I could be convinced though. First, as much as men's basketball is the number one consideration, there are other sports involved. UIC and YSU did pretty well in women's basketball HL action ( I must admit, I don't know what that meant as far as overall SOS ). If I were YSU ( who obviously care about football ) and you told me I wasn't getting as much money from men's basketball...might be tempted to threaten giving up a sport - say baseball - to make up for the revenue loss. In any case, the league would always have to worry about my loyalty to the HL because I'd be looking out for my school's best interest ( sort of like an athlete that you don't want to pay fair value to because the current contract doesn't make you have to and then feelings are hurt and the athlete leaves when they have a chance ). You may say there are other ways to get even with a school that acts up but, we really can't afford any more bad news with current members and needs to expand sooner rather than later.
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Post by Doliboabros on Mar 27, 2014 20:29:16 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with league guidelines when it comes to scheduling but, other than teams actually making a tournament, I'm not sure that I want anyone else to be treated differently. I could be convinced though. First, as much as men's basketball is the number one consideration, there are other sports involved. UIC and YSU did pretty well in women's basketball HL action ( I must admit, I don't know what that meant as far as overall SOS ). This isn't about other sports. This is about the HL's only revenue producing sport. The HL needs to make a scheduling mandate for men's basketball if we are ever going to take this conference to the next level.
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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 27, 2014 21:14:59 GMT -5
Troy Raider, what??? Doesn't the HL have more than one sport anymore? Whether a school wants to stay or wants to join, more than one sport is involved. No one questions that men's basketball is number one, no one questions that SOS effects men's basketball the most. Since you brought it up, and I have no say in the matter, if I were in the room...I would suggest a SOS based on average ending RPI's for a 3-5 period. It may turn out that someone ends up with a better or worse SOS than they planned but, are you confident that LeCrone would push such a measure? In case you didn't notice, conferences basically blew up over football ( and that would be a concern for YSU and anyone that may want to be part of the HL ). If you want to kick someone out of the league strictly for performance in men's basketball...I'd be inclined to shelve any talk of a certain range for SOS ( I'd also be surprised if the HL survives...I can't imagine trying this with less teams ).
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Post by Doliboabros on Mar 27, 2014 21:28:55 GMT -5
Troy Raider, what??? Doesn't the HL have more than one sport anymore? Whether a school wants to stay or wants to join, more than one sport is involved. No one questions that men's basketball is number one, no one questions that SOS effects men's basketball the most. Since you brought it up, and I have no say in the matter, if I were in the room...I would suggest a SOS based on average ending RPI's for a 3-5 period. It may turn out that someone ends up with a better or worse SOS than they planned but, are you confident that LeCrone would push such a measure? In case you didn't notice, conferences basically blew up over football ( and that would be a concern for YSU and anyone that may want to be part of the HL ). If you want to kick someone out of the league strictly for performance in men's basketball...I'd be inclined to shelve any talk of a certain range for SOS ( I'd also be surprised if the HL survives...I can't imagine trying this with less teams ). Tommy, If you look at the A-10 and MVC, they have scheduling mandates for men's basketball. They don't have scheduling mandates for any other sports. The reason they have mandates for men's basketball is because it gives them the best chance to get multiple teams into the Big Dance which increases their conferences overall revenue. They don't have scheduling mandates for other sports because none of those sports produce revenue for the conference. The HL needs to follow the same philosophy and force teams to schedule a certain way for basketball if they want to reap the rewards of how the HL does in post season play in basketball.
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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 27, 2014 22:03:48 GMT -5
Troy Raider, sometimes these message boards make me feel like I am from another planet. I understand and agree with your last post. My point, which makes sense in my head if not to anyone else, is that if you jerk YSU around on basketball funds then they could possibly threaten to take our NCAA automatic qualifier away by dropping baseball - which is why we needed Oakland for their men's basketball history and they had baseball. I think if we have the right number and quality teams we could get more than one bid ( some thought we might have deserved it this year as it was with Green Bay ).
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Post by raiders93 on Mar 28, 2014 0:10:55 GMT -5
The HL needs to put Lecrone on the trading block. Or make an offer to trade the A10 for their comish
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 28, 2014 10:40:05 GMT -5
Funny goraider. I bet the A-10 must be gasping for air from laughing at your tongue in cheek proposal. I suspect some conferences might cotton to the Commish, but I doubt that any conference ranked above the HL would give it a second thought. The Final Four is right around the corner, or weekend. I am tingling with excitement to find out who the Commish and the presidents have recruited to the HL.
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Post by Black PantherU on Mar 28, 2014 12:56:17 GMT -5
Big D you should be commissioner. I agree with what you said in all 4 points. I second, third, fourth, fifth this. Motion carried. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards
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Post by Glory Days on Mar 29, 2014 11:45:19 GMT -5
It's too bad LeCrone doesn't think outside the box like some of our fans are able to do.
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Post by Black PantherU on Mar 29, 2014 14:42:46 GMT -5
A 10 fans I know actually don't like McGlade because she's given away making money to get on TV. Maybe It's different in Dayton.
As for scheduling, demand a level of SOS to get their $ and teams like YSU will load up on buy games against BCS teams and get trashed just to get their cut.
It has to be more complicated. Personally, I think it should be tied to the RPI instead. That way you force them to play better games but also make sure they play better.
Let's go get some teams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 5:19:25 GMT -5
A 10 fans I know actually don't like McGlade because she's given away making money to get on TV. Maybe It's different in Dayton. And the other 5 teams that made the Dance. The entire A-10 will make a nice piece of change because of this year's Dance. The 6 teams that made it will notice an uptick in NCAA monies; increase in admission applications (which usually happens after an NCAA appearance) which means an increase in tuition money; Getting on TV isn't all that bad. Teams just have to capitalize on the added exposure with potential recruits and opponents (reminding them that their games will be seen on national/regional TV). LeCrone actually has a chance to redefine his legacy as the commissioner of the Horizon League for the positive. I think there is no more a defining moment for him than his next move concerning HL expansion.
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 31, 2014 10:23:34 GMT -5
ChuckA, I agree with your comment regarding the Commish. In many of our minds we are eagerly awaiting SOME word about expansion to replace the total lack of feedback to the fans. Frankly, right now I don't expect to hear ANYTHING. I keep hoping to be shocked, but I have kind of lost hope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 20:22:38 GMT -5
I keep hoping to be shocked, but I have kind of lost hope. wolf41, at this point, that's all we have...hope. I don't want to make it sound like life or death, but this next move (and unfortunately, the lack thereof) will be huge for this league. It appears that the P5 conferences are not going to be as active with the GOR signings (although not even those are ironclad). So that leaves the mid-majors to solidify their positions in the world of realignment. The Missouri Valley, Summit League, MWC, AAC and Horizon League are all leagues that are looking to make moves. The Horizon cannot sit back, in my opinion, and be reactive. It must be proactive and intensely so. The League has been stagnant a little bit too long (ranking between 12-14, with an average ranking of 12). The HL has got to rise to a level on par or just below the P5 teams in college basketball.
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Post by Retired Coach on May 2, 2014 9:52:41 GMT -5
It looks like the HL is sticking with ESPN. linkI doubt LeCrone even looked at other options to try to get some leverage against ESPN. I'm sure when they announce the new contract we will have the same basic contract. The worst thing is that Bill Potter is touting our 25 yr relationship with ESPN like it is a good thing in the above link. What an idiot. We have been giving away our most valuable commodity to ESPN for free for 25 years and he is celebrating it. It shows you exactly what is wrong with the HL. Butler went to the Big East where their league negotiated a contract with Foxsport1 where each member of that league gets 3 million a year for their broadcast rights. I am well aware that the HL isn't on the same page as the Big East, but there is no way I am going to believe that the value of our broadcast rights are worth nothing. ESPN would not be broadcasting our games if they were not making money on them. A real commissioner would have got a paycheck from ESPN for our broadcast rights or he would have shopped us to another network. LeCrone is a joke.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 4:19:09 GMT -5
It cannot possibly be the same type of deal. We have GOT to be getting something in return except exposure! Maybe we'll get an announcement soon.
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