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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 21:25:16 GMT -5
Hey...if he's leaving, at least WSU is getting some enormous national advertising everytime Jon Rothstein tweets our school's name and associates it with the currently most wanted available player in college ball lol I have no problem with that. Now let's just get our own attention and have them saying our name for dancing.
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Post by hittmanraider on May 24, 2017 14:05:37 GMT -5
Mark Alstork is headed to Illinois to play for first year coach Brad Underwood.
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Post by twizman on May 24, 2017 14:34:27 GMT -5
Well, at least he didn't go to Michigan. I can at least semi-root for him at Illinois.
Still feels like he turned his back on our program though. And I think he's going to miss not being the go-to player offensively.
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Post by mrose on May 24, 2017 14:57:15 GMT -5
Well, we can deduce Illinois isn't on next year's schedule...
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:24:19 GMT -5
So we GAIN a transfer from Illinois, and we LOSE a transfer to Illinois. Consider us even. Who's up next.
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Post by raidergrad98 on May 25, 2017 7:00:32 GMT -5
Mark Alstork is headed to Illinois to play for first year coach Brad Underwood. *Yawn* Who? :-)
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Post by hittmanraider on May 25, 2017 7:30:58 GMT -5
Well, at least he didn't go to Michigan. I can at least semi-root for him at Illinois. Still feels like he turned his back on our program though. And I think he's going to miss not being the go-to player offensively. 1. He didnt have the grades to get into Michigan. 2. I dont think of it as turning his back, I think he was shown the door
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 9:45:38 GMT -5
Well, at least he didn't go to Michigan. I can at least semi-root for him at Illinois. Still feels like he turned his back on our program though. And I think he's going to miss not being the go-to player offensively. 1. He didnt have the grades to get into Michigan. 2. I dont think of it as turning his back, I think he was shown the door I agree with that second point but I'm still lost on that first point. Who said he didn't have the grades to get into Michigan? They can accept anyone they want, no matter the grades. They took Simmons, filling their remaining scholarships, but they also wanted Mark until that point. Again, I reiterate, he didn't have the grades to get into UM but he DID have the grades to get into Georgetown? I'm not buying that for one second. If a player is eligible, and they want him playing basketball, grades are not an issue. They didn't turn away one of the most highly coveted grad transfers because of grades. They did it because they had no more room on scholarship.
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Post by gerb on May 25, 2017 10:55:45 GMT -5
1. He didnt have the grades to get into Michigan. 2. I dont think of it as turning his back, I think he was shown the door I agree with that second point but I'm still lost on that first point. Who said he didn't have the grades to get into Michigan? They can accept anyone they want, no matter the grades. They took Simmons, filling their remaining scholarships, but they also wanted Mark until that point. Again, I reiterate, he didn't have the grades to get into UM but he DID have the grades to get into Georgetown? I'm not buying that for one second. If a player is eligible, and they want him playing basketball, grades are not an issue. They didn't turn away one of the most highly coveted grad transfers because of grades. They did it because they had no more room on scholarship. Standards are set by the individual institution/program. Both Michigan and Georgetown are very prestigious universities with some of the toughest academic qualification standards (UM acceptance rate= 28.6, Georgetown 16.4). Shifting those qualifications for athletes is up to the school. Michigan's athletes all have to be at or above a certain bar and they make few, if any, exceptions. Stanford, which has a 4.8% (not a typo) overall acceptance rate, only recruits athletes who are on track to academically qualify on their own. Georgetown may not hold their athletes to the same standard. I understand it was over 20 years ago, but as one example, Alan Iverson qualified at Georgetown despite a sub-2.0 GPA and JAIL TIME. At the end of the day, it's up to the institution to decide how much to relax their standards. Some athletes do show up to "play school."
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Post by mrose on May 25, 2017 14:29:32 GMT -5
There are only a few academically prestigious universities with big-time athletic departments that have the same qualification standards for "regular" students and student-athletes. Notre Dame and Stanford come to mind.
UM isn't one of those programs. Harbaugh, when coaching at Stanford, reflected on his playing days at UM and said they had ways of admitting borderline students. The current president of UM, Mark Schlissel, gave a speech a couple of years ago acknowledging they admit athletes who aren't as nearly academically qualified as the rest of the student population. There's a reason that of all the degrees UM offers less than 2% graduate with a degree in "General Studies" but athletes on scholarship make-up nearly 50% of those students.
For Mark to be eligible he has to transfer in as a grad-student. UM doesn't offer cupcake graduate studies like they do with undergraduate. I mean, it's not like he's going to get a Masters in Native Ojibwe or General Studies. My read is, Mark had the grades and if UM wanted him he would have been accepted. However, the graduate-level work might have been a limiting factor he and UM had to address.
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Post by Big D on May 25, 2017 16:35:11 GMT -5
There are only a few academically prestigious universities with big-time athletic departments that have the same qualification standards for "regular" students and student-athletes. Notre Dame and Stanford come to mind. UM isn't one of those programs. Harbaugh, when coaching at Stanford, reflected on his playing days at UM and said they had ways of admitting borderline students. The current president of UM, Mark Schlissel, gave a speech a couple of years ago acknowledging they admit athletes who aren't as nearly academically qualified as the rest of the student population. There's a reason that of all the degrees UM offers less than 2% graduate with a degree in "General Studies" but athletes on scholarship make-up nearly 50% of those students. For Mark to be eligible he has to transfer in as a grad-student. UM doesn't offer cupcake graduate studies like they do with undergraduate. I mean, it's not like he's going to get a Masters in Native Ojibwe or General Studies. My read is, Mark had the grades and if UM wanted him he would have been accepted. However, the graduate-level work might have been a limiting factor he and UM had to address. One other note. To qualify as a grad transfer and be able to play immediately you have to transfer to a school that offers a grad program your original school doesn't offer.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 16:38:22 GMT -5
There are only a few academically prestigious universities with big-time athletic departments that have the same qualification standards for "regular" students and student-athletes. Notre Dame and Stanford come to mind. UM isn't one of those programs. Harbaugh, when coaching at Stanford, reflected on his playing days at UM and said they had ways of admitting borderline students. The current president of UM, Mark Schlissel, gave a speech a couple of years ago acknowledging they admit athletes who aren't as nearly academically qualified as the rest of the student population. There's a reason that of all the degrees UM offers less than 2% graduate with a degree in "General Studies" but athletes on scholarship make-up nearly 50% of those students. For Mark to be eligible he has to transfer in as a grad-student. UM doesn't offer cupcake graduate studies like they do with undergraduate. I mean, it's not like he's going to get a Masters in Native Ojibwe or General Studies. My read is, Mark had the grades and if UM wanted him he would have been accepted. However, the graduate-level work might have been a limiting factor he and UM had to address. One other note. To qualify as a grad transfer and be able to play immediately you have to transfer to a school that offers a grad program your original school doesn't offer. Do you have to take that grad major that isn't offered at your old school? Or just "consider" it and the NCAA uses it as a way to say "oh he's transferring because UM has this program he really likes that wasn't at his old school" ?
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Post by Big D on May 25, 2017 18:23:39 GMT -5
You have to take the major not offered at your old school or you have to sit out a year like any other transfer.
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Post by riceownz2 on May 26, 2017 10:01:14 GMT -5
One other note. To qualify as a grad transfer and be able to play immediately you have to transfer to a school that offers a grad program your original school doesn't offer. Do you have to take that grad major that isn't offered at your old school? Or just "consider" it and the NCAA uses it as a way to say "oh he's transferring because UM has this program he really likes that wasn't at his old school" ? I never read about it, but this was my thinking as well. Does the NCAA actually make sure you are taking the classes for your intended Masters?
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Post by Big D on May 26, 2017 10:43:32 GMT -5
Already answered that 16 hours ago. Yes they do. If you aren't taking the correct classes you are not eligible that season.
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