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Post by raiderrunt on Dec 10, 2018 16:38:11 GMT -5
We could be 10-0 right now and our post season would still be coming down to hoping we get hot in the HL tournament. At large teams don’t come from conferences ranked 20+. You’re right Big D. There have been a lot of really good mid-majors who have done everything that the NCAA committee asks for, by playing a strong non-conference schedule and WINNING games ON THE ROAD against teams from the power conferences … and they have either gotten snubbed from the tournament or they have gotten crappy seeds when they have won their league tournament. Loyola, for example, reached the NCAA Final Four last year, but had they lost a buzzer-beater in their conference tournament, they would never have gotten an at-large bid to last year’s NCAA, even with a record of 27-6. However, they earned an automatic bid and got a somewhat crappy 11-seed. They played hard, got some breaks, and the rest is history. But still, their room for error in order to reach the NCAA was razor-thin. A mid-major simply can’t afford to lose many games, regardless of who they play. Unfortunately, Wright State has already hit their quota of losses for NCAA at-large consideration, which was probably four or less. But to get back to Keith’s point … We aren’t 10-0. We are 4-6. That’s certainly not what we envisioned during this past off season. And over the past six games, we haven’t beaten anybody whose name isn’t Cedarville (and we trailed after halftime in that one). There is still plenty of time to turn things around, but I expect us to be 6-7 heading into league play, and assuming that we win our league tournament, we are playing for a 15 or 16 seed and a possible beat-down in the NCAA tournament at best. I know that the goal is to reach the NCAA, but I wouldn’t mind winning the league, losing in the conference tournament, and then taking our chances with an automatic bid to the NIT. We’d probably have a better chance at making some noise there. Financially, there is not any money in playing in the NIT. WSU comes out way better getting into the NCAA Tourney and getting a butt whipping. |
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Post by mrose on Dec 10, 2018 19:31:08 GMT -5
You’re right Big D. There have been a lot of really good mid-majors who have done everything that the NCAA committee asks for, by playing a strong non-conference schedule and WINNING games ON THE ROAD against teams from the power conferences … and they have either gotten snubbed from the tournament or they have gotten crappy seeds when they have won their league tournament. Loyola, for example, reached the NCAA Final Four last year, but had they lost a buzzer-beater in their conference tournament, they would never have gotten an at-large bid to last year’s NCAA, even with a record of 27-6. However, they earned an automatic bid and got a somewhat crappy 11-seed. They played hard, got some breaks, and the rest is history. But still, their room for error in order to reach the NCAA was razor-thin. A mid-major simply can’t afford to lose many games, regardless of who they play. Unfortunately, Wright State has already hit their quota of losses for NCAA at-large consideration, which was probably four or less. But to get back to Keith’s point … We aren’t 10-0. We are 4-6. That’s certainly not what we envisioned during this past off season. And over the past six games, we haven’t beaten anybody whose name isn’t Cedarville (and we trailed after halftime in that one). There is still plenty of time to turn things around, but I expect us to be 6-7 heading into league play, and assuming that we win our league tournament, we are playing for a 15 or 16 seed and a possible beat-down in the NCAA tournament at best. I know that the goal is to reach the NCAA, but I wouldn’t mind winning the league, losing in the conference tournament, and then taking our chances with an automatic bid to the NIT. We’d probably have a better chance at making some noise there. Financially, there is not any money in playing in the NIT. WSU comes out way better getting into the NCAA Tourney and getting a butt whipping. I'm not so sure of that. I believe the HL splits the NCAA shares equally. At least they did. If they still do then UDM got as much out of the NCAA last year as we did. The NIT (owned by the NCAA) does have a small payout and does cover the costs of travel/lodging. If going to the NIT helps to build the program and create momentum then I too think that would be better than a 40+ beat down on national TV. |
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Post by wsutommygun on Dec 10, 2018 20:20:05 GMT -5
I think the payouts used to be a share for each team plus 2 ( one share for the league and another share for the team playing...might have been some money for team expenses before shares were figured ). I believe it was doled out over a 5 year period.
The conference changed payouts because Butler didn't think it was fair and they got it so the team that earned it got a bigger chunk. Not sure what the current payout is but, obviously the dance is the way to go from a money payout.
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Post by Big D on Dec 10, 2018 20:45:47 GMT -5
The HL divides NCAA tournament money into 12 equal shares. The team that participated in the tournament gets 2 shares. The HL gets 1 share and the 9 teams that didn’t participate get 1 share.
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Post by mrose on Dec 10, 2018 21:48:40 GMT -5
Last year's NCAA share was ~ $273K. Meaning we got $45.5K, or basically half the payout of the typical D I buy game. The NIT payout varies depending on gate receipt, etc. Most conferences don't have a policy requiring split of NIT shares, but I'm not sure of the HL. Programs in conferences that have equal share payout (NCAA tourney), but are allowed to keep 100% of NIT shares and win at least one NIT game typically come out head in $$ for that season rather than 1-and-done in NCAA. The caveat is the NIT is just a one-time payout, but the NCAA pays out over a 6-year period with a 2-3% yearly increase.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Dec 12, 2018 19:01:39 GMT -5
runt, you may be right about the comparative dollars but I think klinger has a point. what do you think better serves the goal of building up this program?? getting a 15 seed to the dance and getting hammered by 30 points by a good team or getting in the nit and making a run, winning a few games and getting to New York. a few years back ud went to the nit and ended up beating unc for the championship. that was great publicity.
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Post by ohiopirate on Dec 13, 2018 15:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by Indy Raider on Dec 14, 2018 7:48:30 GMT -5
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Post by raiderrunt on Dec 14, 2018 12:31:39 GMT -5
Last year's NCAA share was ~ $273K. Meaning we got $45.5K, or basically half the payout of the typical D I buy game. The NIT payout varies depending on gate receipt, etc. Most conferences don't have a policy requiring split of NIT shares, but I'm not sure of the HL. Programs in conferences that have equal share payout (NCAA tourney), but are allowed to keep 100% of NIT shares and win at least one NIT game typically come out head in $$ for that season rather than 1-and-done in NCAA. The caveat is the NIT is just a one-time payout, but the NCAA pays out over a 6-year period with a 2-3% yearly increase. I wonder what the NCAA media exposure is worth? I don't know. Maybe if the Raiders win a couple of NIT games they come out better, especially if the money gets paid right now. The team's play will determine what post-season opportunities are available, not a discussion on this message board. So, we shall see. |
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Post by zippy on Dec 14, 2018 13:06:47 GMT -5
This from here: During their March postseason runs, the basketball teams garnered over 14,000 positive stories and mentions about Wright State in the media. Our media monitoring partners estimate the value of that free publicity to be over $26 million. This from here: On average, the interest generated by an NCAA tournament appearance points to a 2.4% increase in total undergraduate applications in the following year. |
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Post by raiderrunt on Dec 14, 2018 16:00:26 GMT -5
This from here: During their March postseason runs, the basketball teams garnered over 14,000 positive stories and mentions about Wright State in the media. Our media monitoring partners estimate the value of that free publicity to be over $26 million. This from here: On average, the interest generated by an NCAA tournament appearance points to a 2.4% increase in total undergraduate applications in the following year. There is not a simple answer to NCAA vs NIT. |
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Post by wsutommygun on Dec 14, 2018 16:38:01 GMT -5
I'm all for going to ANY postseason tournament if I think it will help in the long run. The others ( not NCAA or NIT ) didn't produce a bump for the program but, that doesn't discourage me. Life isn't ever going to be fair for the mid-major and I'll take what I can get.
There is a very simple answer for me between NCAA vs NIT. I'll take the NCAA every time...if nothing else, if we do it often enough maybe we'll figure out a winning formula.
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Post by Raidermania on Dec 14, 2018 18:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by ohiopirate on Dec 17, 2018 17:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by Sixth Man on Dec 20, 2018 20:24:14 GMT -5
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