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Post by Big D on Jan 25, 2019 16:51:42 GMT -5
Absolutely, MRose. Because of all of the educational requirements and professional steps along the way, most faculty members are in their 40’s, 50’s, and even 60’s before they reach full-professor and that average $119K/year level. For all that they have to go through to get there, who can blame them for being upset when a non-negotiated contract has been imposed. They might make a lot more money than most of us, but I understand why they are striking. I have a problem with your “non-negotiated contract” statement. That’s not entirely true. Wright State and the union agreed to an independent mediator who came up with a recommendation on this contract after both sides couldn’t come to an agreement over the past 2 years. The recommendations were not what Wright State or the union wanted. It favored Wright State more due to the Universities financial situation but it still wasn’t what Wright State wanted. Wright State accepted the recommendations of the mediator and made it the contract. The union rejected the mediators findings and decided to strike. They should not have agreed to a mediator if they hadno plans to accept their decision if it didn’t completely agree with their stance.
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Post by Raider Pride on Jan 25, 2019 17:00:30 GMT -5
Wright State and the union need to come to an agreement both sides can live with. Time for both sides to check their egos and do what’s in the best interest of the students
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Post by Big D on Jan 25, 2019 17:11:02 GMT -5
Wright State and the union need to come to an agreement both sides can live with. Time for both sides to check their egos and do what’s in the best interest of the students I think that is something we can all agree on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 17:53:58 GMT -5
Wright State and the union need to come to an agreement both sides can live with. Time for both sides to check their egos and do what’s in the best interest of the students I think that is something we can all agree on. Totally agree here. Just for the record, approximately 135 of the 560 union members are full-professors, averaging $119k. Some of those 135 are high-paid administrators who returned to teaching, which bumps that average salary up.
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Post by mrose on Jan 25, 2019 23:03:51 GMT -5
Absolutely, MRose. Because of all of the educational requirements and professional steps along the way, most faculty members are in their 40’s, 50’s, and even 60’s before they reach full-professor and that average $119K/year level. For all that they have to go through to get there, who can blame them for being upset when a non-negotiated contract has been imposed. They might make a lot more money than most of us, but I understand why they are striking. Unless you are a supermodel, 1-in-100 million pop star, or blessed to be a professional athlete most people don't reach their peak earnings until their 40's, 50's or even 60's. That's the reality of the world outside the insulated halls of academia. I can think of many alumni that have excelled in some of WSU's top programs. Take for example Accountancy. These people didn't start out at the top of the salary range in their field. They too have had to take many additional steps, over years, in their profession to reach the pinnacle of their career. Finance is another example. I know people who have toiled for years, after earning their degree, before they became a CFP. Nursing is another example. If one wants an upwardly mobile career within Premier or KHN about the only way to position oneself is with a post-graduate degree. Most of these people work fulltime and take their schooling or next professional steps after work or on the weekend. These are professional people. These people (and there are thousands of alumni in the region) do this without publicly bitching about their employer. They don't feel entitled. If they have a beef with their boss, philosophical issues with the direction of the company, or disagreements with how much they're being paid or the benefits they receive then they have the freedom to seek employment elsewhere. That's the same freedom the vast majority of the WSU faculty have, Full-prof or not.
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Post by CincyDrummer on Jan 26, 2019 7:14:05 GMT -5
Cincinnati radio station 91.7 WVXU is currently discussing the WSU Faculty Strike as one their main topics on the “Cincinnati Edition” program. You can listen online for free at www.wvxu.org (the show will be archived immediately after airing)
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Post by wsuwillie on Jan 26, 2019 9:02:51 GMT -5
Absolutely, MRose. Because of all of the educational requirements and professional steps along the way, most faculty members are in their 40’s, 50’s, and even 60’s before they reach full-professor and that average $119K/year level. For all that they have to go through to get there, who can blame them for being upset when a non-negotiated contract has been imposed. They might make a lot more money than most of us, but I understand why they are striking. Unless you are a supermodel, 1-in-100 million pop star, or blessed to be a professional athlete most people don't reach their peak earnings until their 40's, 50's or even 60's. That's the reality of the world outside the insulated halls of academia. I can think of many alumni that have excelled in some of WSU's top programs. Take for example Accountancy. These people didn't start out at the top of the salary range in their field. They too have had to take many additional steps, over years, in their profession to reach the pinnacle of their career. Finance is another example. I know people who have toiled for years, after earning their degree, before they became a CFP. Nursing is another example. If one wants an upwardly mobile career within Premier or KHN about the only way to position oneself is with a post-graduate degree. Most of these people work fulltime and take their schooling or next professional steps after work or on the weekend. These are professional people. These people (and there are thousands of alumni in the region) do this without publicly bitching about their employer. They don't feel entitled. If they have a beef with their boss, philosophical issues with the direction of the company, or disagreements with how much they're being paid or the benefits they receive then they have the freedom to seek employment elsewhere. That's the same freedom the vast majority of the WSU faculty have, Full-prof or not. That was the best summation of this ridiculous strike that I have ever read. (Along with Big D's layout of past discretion and how we got to this point in the first place.) Thank you both!
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Post by Raider Alumni on Jan 26, 2019 9:39:36 GMT -5
These are professional people. These people (and there are thousands of alumni in the region) do this without publicly bitching about their employer. To take that a step further. Employees at both of the regions hospitals have to deal with much of what the union is complaining about. When hospital census is low, nurses get sent home and either don't get paid or have to use their vacation time. The same happens with PTs and OTs. Wages get frozen when the hospitals aren't doing well and they raise when they are. Health insurance has changed for everyone since the affordable care act prevented insurances from excluding anyone based on pre-existing conditions. Those insurance companies have passed on the increased costs to cover those individuals onto everyone else. Some companies have eaten the increases for their employees. Most companies haven't and we all have higher deductibles and out of pocket maxes. When it comes to publicly bitching about their employers you aren't going to see it from a PHP or KHN employee. When you get hired for either organization you sign a media and social media agreement. If you say something negative about the organization to a news outlet or on Facebook, Twitter, etc the company can terminate your employment. When you are hired by those organizations they are paying you to do a job and also represent the organization in the community. They have no tolerance for someone embarrassing the organization. Both organizations also have union members working for them too.
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Post by Glory Days on Jan 26, 2019 9:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by BasketBallJones on Jan 26, 2019 11:36:11 GMT -5
BigD wrote: The union rejected the mediators findings and decided to strike
I always thought that using a Meditator was a voluntary agreement between two parties, and the Mediator's ruling was binding on both parties. If that us true in this case, then the Stike should be declared illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 12:02:22 GMT -5
BigD wrote: The union rejected the mediators findings and decided to strike I always thought that using a Meditator was a voluntary agreement between two parties, and the Mediator's ruling was binding on both parties. If that us true in this case, then the Stike should be declared illegal. BasketBallJones, This went from mediator, to fact finder, to imposed contract. I am no lawyer, so I have no idea how a board might rule. You could probably flip a coin.
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Post by mre on Jan 26, 2019 12:05:54 GMT -5
This is worth a read. For those who don’t know, Katie Halberg runs the WSU social media accounts so she is in contact online with a lot of students and others
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Post by Big D on Jan 26, 2019 12:14:15 GMT -5
This is worth a read. For those who don’t know, Katie Halberg runs the WSU social media accounts so she is in contact online with a lot of students and others +1
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Post by Raider Southpaw on Jan 26, 2019 12:32:02 GMT -5
The thing I hate about all of this the most is that most of these reports and news stories keep generalizing their stories saying this is a faculty strike going on at Wright State. This isn't a faculty strike. It is a union faculty trike. There are around 560 union faculty members out of 1,700 faculty members at at Wright State. The vast majority of Wright State's faculty including several union members are still working right now and are just as frustrated about what this union is doing to Wright State's reputation as most of the people on this board.
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Post by mre on Jan 27, 2019 15:04:17 GMT -5
And so it goes on...
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