Our point guard situation

[rock70]

I was checking out our team stats earlier this morning and was shocked to look at our point guards number for the first half of the season. Honestly I have no idea how we have won 8 games after looking at these numbers.

I have been banging on Will for shooting three's but I never realized that he has more turnovers then assist this year. Will has 34 turnovers and 33 assist. Will averages 2.2 apg ( John David leads at 3.7 apg ). On top of that we all know Will's monumental struggles from the three point line. He is currently shooting 12.5% on 3-24.

As bad as Will has struggle this season N'Gai overall is doing even worse then Will. N'Gai's numbers were the one that really shocked me. N'Gai has 11 assist ALL YEAR LONG and get this, he has 30 turnovers! For someone who handles the ball as much as N'Gai those numbers are beyond disappointing. It is well documented how bad Will is from the perimeter but folks N'GAi is just as bad and maybe worse because he has shot 17 more three's then Will. N'Gai is only shooting 17% from the three point line. He has made 7-41 this year.

Now I realized that John David runs the point at times but from what I can tell both Will and N'Gai are the ones who bring the ball up the court and start our offense even when John David is in the game. Again this is a huge tribute to coach Brownell to be able to manage eight wins with the numbers our primary point guards are putting up.

I'm not sure what the answer is but these are mind numbing statistics and honestly at this point I would easily give Will the nod over N'Gai based solely on the numbers. I also believe Will is the better defender and can also rebound from his guard position.

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I like Evans, but like you say, you look at the boxscore and notice he hardly ever has any assists and it's kind of shocking.

The frustrating thing with Evans is that he has the quickness and ability to get by people, drive to the basket, and drive and dish to someone open. I haven't been watching him closely enough to know why he rarely has any assists.

Maybe he is more of a scoring guard. One edge I think Evans has on Graham is that he seems to have more of a smoothness to his game than Graham. Graham is kind of herky jerky a lot of times when running the offense.

I know a lot of people disagree, but I always thought Duggins should be the PG on this team. Not because he'd be the greatest point guard of all time, but because I think he may be the best PG on this team.

As things have progressed, it appears JDG should be the starting PG, with Duggins and Brown at the 2 and 3 spot.

Or an intriguing change could be Duggins, Tabler and Brown, with JDG coming off the bench. You'd have 3 guys who are not afraid, and who can shoot the 3 ball. I really like JDG, but sometimes I think he needs to shoot more from the 3 line. But it's just not his style.

Maybe they should go with 4 guards? haha, probably not a good idea.

I just hope they have a good idea by the end of the season and going into the 09-10 season what the rotation is and who the starting 5 is because I feel like the 09-10 team should be really really good, like the best ever at Wright State.

[riceownz2]

I would not have Tabler start. He can only shot spot up 3's. His defense is awful. I watched him try and guard Zach Hahn last night. OMG that kid just blew by Tabler.
I like Will because he is a senior. He brings that leadership we need. He knows what a horizon league game is. His shot is better then Evans also. Evans shoots the ball to flat. NO arc at all. I think when Vaughn comes back JD should play point.

[rock70]

I tend to agree with blitz that N'Gai is more of a two guard in a point guards body. The problem with that scenario is that typically you need your two guard to be able to knock down the perimeter shot and N'Gai really can't do that as evidence by his 7-41 perimeter shooting. Since he is to small and lacks and outside shot to play the two guard the only spot left is the point but unfortunately he lacks the ability to be able to distribute the ball.

jerryg, I do agree that N'Gai is quick enough to get to the rim, even more so then Will it's just to bad his mind set isn't more like a point guard where he is looking for his teammates after he penetrates the lane.

When N'Gai and Will are in the game at the same time our perimeter game is basically nonexistent and the opposing teams just pack it in and dare them both to shoot from the outside. To bad they both take the bait to often and chuck the three ball up

If Vaughn returns things will take care of themselves with JD running the point and VD at the two guard and then both Will and N'Gai will play limited minutes at the guard positions. Unfortunately I have a bad feeling about Vaughn returning this year. Hope I'm wrong.

[Tipp City Raider]

I think this problem area will end up being a position of strength next year. JDG seems to get better week by week and Cartharn is everything we wish Will would be in a PG.

[wolf41]

I like both Graham and Evans, but they really need to think twice about launching a 3 pointer. The latest stats show that Will is 3 of 27 from that range, or about 11%, whereas he is about 50% from inside the arc. Given a choice, where would you like to see him shoot?

Evans is better than that. He is 9 0f 46, which is just under 20%. From inside the arc, he is hitting about 40%. That's not great, but it is better than 20%.

I'm not saying they should never shoot from outside, but the stats show Evans doubles the odds in his favor when shooting inside the arc. And Will is about 5 times more likely to score from inside.

For me, this is a no brainer, and as PGs, their first thought should be finding the open mate to pass to, not throwing up 3s.

[rock70]

Jan 13, 2009 11:45:57 GMT -5 wolf41 said:

I'm not saying they should never shoot from outside, but the stats show Evans doubles the odds in his favor when shooting inside the arc. And Will is about 5 times more likely to score from inside.

For me, this is a no brainer, and as PGs, their first thought should be finding the open mate to pass to, not throwing up 3s.

wolf41, you hit the nail right on the head. Both Will and N'Gai should be playing to their strengths. Both can be real assets to our team and are solid players when they play their game. I would like to see N'Gai look to get his teammates more involved and look for and assist on occasion.

Will uses more brute strength when he drives to the hoop while N'Gai just kinda glides to the hole. Both are different but effective when they can get in the lane.

[riceownz2]

With N'Gai, he plays to streaky. During the Butler game i realized this. If he makes a shot and or gets a lay-up, you can bet the next time down he is going to try and do the same thing. As a PG yes he needs to involve the other players into the offense better then what he does. To me when he is on the court at times I feel he is more of a liability then an asset.