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Post by rock70 on Jan 23, 2009 21:09:32 GMT -5
I can't believe the MAC has fallen all the way down to #19 in the latest RPI. realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.htmlHave they officially fallen out of the mid major catagory and into the low mid major catagory?
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Post by keithfromxenia on Jan 23, 2009 21:54:31 GMT -5
rock, i think we need to be very selective in our scheduling of mac teams these days. miami is a must, but very few mac teams are seriously considered for at large ncaa bids in post season. we need to only try to schedule mac teams expected to be the cream of the league + miami. the mvc and caa are leagues we should look to hook up with. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!
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Post by thatbaldraiderfan on Jan 23, 2009 22:10:51 GMT -5
rock, i think we need to be very selective in our scheduling of mac teams these days. miami is a must, but very few mac teams are seriously considered for at large ncaa bids in post season. we need to only try to schedule mac teams expected to be the cream of the league + miami. the mvc and caa are leagues we should look to hook up with. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!! MU and Akron... Kent State... they're worth scheduling... otherwise I agree, let's focus on the MVC
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Post by Big D on Jan 23, 2009 22:33:00 GMT -5
I can't believe the MAC has fallen all the way down to #19 in the latest RPI. realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.htmlHave they officially fallen out of the mid major category and into the low mid major category? Then we were a low major as recently as 2005 when the HL was 19th in the RPI. Mid-majors move around quite a bit in the RPI standing through the years. Don't put too much stock in one season. I have no problem with us scheduling MAC schools. We are recruiting local kids against other local MAC programs. It helps when we schedule and beat these programs. It also helps our local perception. The average casual fan in Dayton might want to come out to see us play Ohio U or Kent State. I doubt they want to see us play Northeastern or Drexel from the CAA (even though both programs are top 100 teams). FYI Keith, the CAA is ranked 15 this year.
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Post by Bomber on Jan 24, 2009 8:45:44 GMT -5
I agree with Big D. Playing local MAC teams is good for the program.
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Post by Doliboabros on Jan 24, 2009 8:54:12 GMT -5
I don't care who we play in our nonconference schedule. I'm more concerned that we can't seem to get our crap together until conference play starts.
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Post by nybuckeye on Jan 24, 2009 14:09:08 GMT -5
We went 1-2 against the MAC this year, including a loss to a weak CMU team, so lets not put too much stock into comparing RPI's. The Horizon and MAC are comparable leagues and scheduling MAC teams creates name-recognition for casual fans and helps a little with travel expenses.
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Post by rock70 on Jan 24, 2009 15:11:51 GMT -5
I have no problem with us scheduling MAC schools. We are recruiting local kids against other local MAC programs. It helps when we schedule and beat these programs. It also helps our local perception. The average casual fan in Dayton might want to come out to see us play Ohio U or Kent State. I doubt they want to see us play Northeastern or Drexel from the CAA (even though both programs are top 100 teams) Well put BigD. I love playing MAC schools for the above mentioned reasons. I was just kinda surprised when I saw that the MAC was down so much this year. To me the biggest reason to play MAC schools is that if we can consistantly beat them it really does help change our perception locally which I think is important.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Jan 24, 2009 15:31:50 GMT -5
sorry, but i hope we are reaching a point where our non con schedule is tuned to helping us get into the post season, not build name recognition. we want teams that will add to our resume and most mac teams will not. and i want us to play the better teams from leagues like the caa, mvc ( although most mvc teams are pretty darn good ), cusa etc. one thing that was in the paper a week or two ago about scheduling that i liked was the idea of trying to schedule teams in non conference that you might be competing for an at large bid with, or an nit bid. if you have played and beaten those types of teams you have an advantage. playing bowling green, toledo. etc may do something, (what was the crowd for the toledo game this year)? but your focus is on the wrong goal. we will help our "local perception" by dancing a few times. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Tipp City Raider on Jan 24, 2009 18:58:54 GMT -5
sorry, but i hope we are reaching a point where our non con schedule is tuned to helping us get into the post season, not build name recognition. we want teams that will add to our resume and most mac teams will not. and i want us to play the better teams from leagues like the caa, mvc ( although most mvc teams are pretty darn good ), cusa etc. one thing that was in the paper a week or two ago about scheduling that i liked was the idea of trying to schedule teams in non conference that you might be competing for an at large bid with, or an nit bid. if you have played and beaten those types of teams you have an advantage. playing bowling green, toledo. etc may do something, (what was the crowd for the toledo game this year)? but your focus is on the wrong goal. we will help our "local perception" by dancing a few times. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Playing MVC, CAA, and Conf USA programs is not going to help us get into the post season. You earn at large bids by playing and beating BCS programs.
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Post by Doliboabros on Jan 24, 2009 19:51:29 GMT -5
Playing MVC, CAA, and Conf USA programs is not going to help us get into the post season. You earn at large bids by playing and beating BCS programs. It doesn't matter who you schedule for NC games if you don't win those games. We haven't started out strong in any of Brownell's 3 years here. We need to break that trend next season.
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Jan 24, 2009 20:56:33 GMT -5
I don't care what conferences the teams we schedule are from. I just want to play good teams that local fans are going to recognize. We need to get more butts in the seats. Winning does that, but you also have to beat teams that people recognize.
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Post by Glory Days on Jan 25, 2009 11:34:23 GMT -5
sorry, but i hope we are reaching a point where our non con schedule is tuned to helping us get into the post season, not build name recognition. I agree. I don't really care who we play as long as they are helping us get to the next level.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Jan 25, 2009 17:00:35 GMT -5
hoopster, i do not agree with you for a couple of reasons. first, at least for now, to get games against quality bcs teams mean we go there, ala wake forest. and that means we probably lose. losing to bcs teams does nothing to help us in postseason. reality is that the bcs conferences will all get 6,7 or 8 teams in the dance. there will probably be 6-8 at large entries that will go to non bcs teams. obviously you have to win games to be considered but if it comes donw to us and ... oh say creighton, and we have played and beaten them, we have a leg up on them. playing teams like toledo, bowling green etc will not typically help us at the end of the year. added plus is we can get home and home games with teams like that. now that does raise the question of how you know who will be good when you are scheduling....see butler this year..... and that is a good question. but if we could do it, we need to minimize teams whose rpis have been +200 and focus on teams competing for the top of quality mid major leagues. winning those games stand to help us much more than beating norfolk state, or losing to wake forest. obvioulsy a moot point this year, as our only chance is winning the league touirnament. so that is just what we need to do. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!11
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Post by Tipp City Raider on Jan 25, 2009 20:54:51 GMT -5
hoopster, i do not agree with you for a couple of reasons. first, at least for now, to get games against quality bcs teams mean we go there, ala wake forest. and that means we probably lose. losing to bcs teams does nothing to help us in postseason. If you go back and read my post, I said we need to play and BEAT BCS programs to get an at large bid. Historically that is true in the HL. In the last 10 years, Butler is the only HL team to get an at large bid. Their most recent at large bid was in 2007. They played Notre Dame, Indiana, Tennessee, and Purdue that year. Outside of that they also played Gonzaga, Kent State, Southern Illinois, Tulane, Evansville, Indiana St, and Ball State. reality is that the bcs conferences will all get 6,7 or 8 teams in the dance. there will probably be 6-8 at large entries that will go to non bcs teams. obviously you have to win games to be considered but if it comes donw to us and ... oh say creighton, and we have played and beaten them, we have a leg up on them. I disagree. If the selection committee had it down to WSU and a team like Creighton for an at large bid, I don't think they would choose us over Creighton even if we had a win over them. The selection committee looks at your total body of work, not just 1 head to head game. I think the fact that Creighton schedules tough mid-majors and BCS schools would mean more than our schedule that doesn't usually include many BCS programs. I'm not advocating playing a ton of games on the road vs BCS programs that are going to kick our ass, but we do need to beef up that part of our schedule. I think we need to play in at least 1 tournament a year where we have a chance to play 1-2 BCS programs. I also think we should be playing 2 money games vs BCS programs we have a chance at beating. This year for example, we could have dropped our game with Norfolk St and played a team like Depaul or Northwestern on the road. We could have beaten either team this year and really helped ourself.
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