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Post by Raider Fanatic on Apr 3, 2010 17:11:34 GMT -5
Four players to leave teamApril 3, 2010 By Joe scalzo Graduation isn’t the only thing taking a toll on the YSU men’s basketball roster. Juniors Vance Cooksey and Tom Parks and freshmen Eddie D’Haiti and Lamar McKnight told the Penguins’ coaches this week that they plan to leave the program, further weakening a roster that will already lose five seniors. Penguins coach Jerry Slocum is in Indianapolis this week for the Final Four and did not respond to an interview request. Of the four, Cooksey and D’Haiti are the biggest losses. Cooksey, a Chicago native, appeared in all 30 games at point guard, starting 10, and averaged five points and two rebounds in 19 minutes per game. D’Haiti, an Orlando native, appeared in 28 games, starting five, and averaged 2.5 points and 2.9 rebounds per game. Parks, who hails from Cheyenne, Wyo., played in just 11 games before breaking his foot in December. McKnight, a Bedford Chanel High graduate, redshirted this past season. The departures leave just six players on the roster from a team that went 8-22 this winter, including 2-16 in the Horizon League. Two of those players, forward Damian Eargle and point guard Sheldon Brogdon, both of Warren Harding, didn’t see any action. Brogdon was redshirted as he rehabbed from an ACL tear his senior year of high school and Eargle sat out the season after transferring after one season from UNC-Greensboro. Another of the six, McDonald High graduate Andy Timko, is a walk-on who appeared in three games this winter. That leaves seniors-to-be Vytas Sulskis and Dan Boudler and junior-to-be Ashen Ward as the Penguins’ only returning players with experience. The Penguins have already signed two incoming recruits — forward Fletcher Larson of Jamestown, N.Y., and point guard Kendrick Perry of Edgewater, Fla. vindy.com/news/2010/apr/03/four-players-to-leave-team/
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Post by Doliboabros on Apr 3, 2010 23:49:06 GMT -5
Why is it that 1-2 HL teams can't get their shit together EVERY year? Looks like YSU and UIC will continue to be the door mats of the HL next year again. I can't believe both of these coaches will be back next year. I was hoping that both would have been replaced. I'm shocked at least one of them aren't being replaced.
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Post by Big D on Apr 4, 2010 8:19:49 GMT -5
We are screwed with YSU. They broke the bank with their new football coach and his staff a few months back. They have no money to buy out Slocum and start over. They will limp through the last few years of his contract and try again. Until they are willing to spend a few bucks on other sports besides football, they are going to be the laughingstock of the HL.
I know we added them because they added enough sports to help the HL outside of basketball, but they have been an anchor to this league since they joined. The best thing the HL could do is look for a new member and boot them out. It won't happen but it's what should happen if we ever want to be a consistent multi-bid league in the post season.
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Post by Raider Country on Apr 4, 2010 10:13:58 GMT -5
Jesus, I wish the HL would just admit we screwed up when we added them. It's time to drop these clowns.
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Post by Retired Coach on Apr 4, 2010 22:21:06 GMT -5
I wish we would just dump YSU and go after St Louis hard to re-join the Horizon League. Their coach hates that they are in the A-10 and have no natural rivalries. He wants them in the MVC, but I think the HL would be a good fit for them too.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 5, 2010 11:12:12 GMT -5
i think the billikins would be a great addition, but i cannot see them going from a conference that was what, 6 or 7 in rpi to a conference that is 12 or 13. too much of a drop i think. until we build our conference from the inside to a consistent multi bid conference we will have a tough time adding quality programs.
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Post by Retired Coach on Apr 5, 2010 14:36:08 GMT -5
i think the billikins would be a great addition, but i cannot see them going from a conference that was what, 6 or 7 in rpi to a conference that is 12 or 13. too much of a drop i think. until we build our conference from the inside to a consistent multi bid conference we will have a tough time adding quality programs. I think the key is that they want out of the A-10, so it might not matter to them that we are a lower rated conference. The other key is the promise to them that we are adding them AND getting rid of YSU. If you take away YSU's extremely crappy RPI and add in SLU's top 100 RPI and all of a sudden the HL goes from the 12-14 rated conference to a top 10 conference. |
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Post by bballraider on Apr 6, 2010 9:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by OG Raiderfan on Apr 6, 2010 10:13:43 GMT -5
Let's not get greedy. YSU isn't worth a six pack, not even Natty.  The NEC can have them for free. If it will make it happen faster, I'll even throw in a six pack in the NEC's favor. |
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Post by BasketBallJones on Apr 6, 2010 13:46:27 GMT -5
Can the HL just dump a team from the conference? Does it require a vote by all the other member school's AD's? If so, what kind of time frame are we talking about and how much money would the HL, if any, have to give to the school that they just booted out? I'm sure it's not something that happens quickly or without some cost to the league.
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Post by Big D on Apr 6, 2010 14:23:57 GMT -5
Can the HL just dump a team from the conference? Does it require a vote by all the other member school's AD's? If so, what kind of time frame are we talking about and how much money would the HL, if any, have to give to the school that they just booted out? I'm sure it's not something that happens quickly or without some cost to the league. I have no idea. I would assume we would have to eliminate them for cause in order to get rid of them without having to pay them off somehow. I don't know how our bylaws are written to justify cause. Probably the easiest way to get rid of them is to have the HL vote on performance standards for the HL starting next year. We could make it specific to basketball and have it based on maintaining a specific RPI average over a period of time. It could also entail a certain budget # to ensure teams are trying to be competitive in their hiring of coaches, etc. This would force YSU to either improve their team enough that we actually want them in the HL or it will give us cause to get rid of them. I would assume the process would take several years though. Our next best hope would be for YSU to find a better fit for them and leave on their own. |
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Post by raiderrunt on Apr 10, 2010 8:07:46 GMT -5
Big D, do you know of any instances where a conference dumped a school for beinging a stinker? I can't think of any.
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Post by Big D on Apr 10, 2010 8:40:33 GMT -5
Big D, do you know of any instances where a conference dumped a school for beinging a stinker? I can't think of any. No, I can't think of an instance where something like that was announced publicly. But I'm sure there have been many cases where a program was asked to leave a conference behind closed doors and given some time to move to another conference on their own. At the bare minimum, I know the A-10 and MVC have scheduling mandates for their conferences that I think we should think about incorporating into the HL. They set minimums for SOS RPI that a team needs to achieve if they want to receive their share of the conference's NCAA tournament money that year. I believe the A-10 mandates that their SOS needs to average 125 or less for the 3 previous year to be eligible for their NCAA tournament money. I don't think we need to use their numbers, but I think that we should start with 2 goals. 1. HL teams need to play an all D1 schedule unless they have to play a NAIA/D2 team as part of an exempt tournament that they have no control over. 2. All teams need to have an average SOS below 150 over a 3 year period. If you can't achieve this, your NCAA tournament money gets divided up between the other members of the HL. I also think the HL needs to change how they carve up NCAA tournament money. Currently it is divided into 12 equal pieces. The HL gets 1 piece, the 9 teams that don't go dancing get 1 piece, and the team that goes dancing gets 2 pieces. I think the team that makes the dance should get a bigger piece of the pie. I think they should get 25% of the revenue and the other teams and the HL should split the remaining 75% equally. Forcing teams to meet league minimums in scheduling and giving you more money for NCAA tournament success is going to encourage some of these free loading conference members to start being productive and it will encourage the top teams to be even more successful because they have a chance to make more money. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 10, 2010 9:02:53 GMT -5
Big D, do you know of any instances where a conference dumped a school for beinging a stinker? I can't think of any. I can give you two related cases - not exactly the same, but ... - Dayton was not asked to join Conference USA when their prior conference (City?) was elminated and all of the other members moved to the newly created Conference USA ... Of course, UD recovered rather well with A-10 - South Florida had to sue its way into Big East after being invited and then uninvited from Conference USA along with UC, UofL, Marquette, Depaul, etc. |
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Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 10, 2010 10:24:14 GMT -5
admin, the great midwest conference was involved in that ud fiasco. it seems like dayton was so bad in that league that when it was dissolving and going to cusa they did not include them in the new league. some of the teams, uc and maybe others, had to commit to playing them for a few years after the dissolution.
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The NEC can have them for free. If it will make it happen faster, I'll even throw in a six pack in the NEC's favor.
