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Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 10, 2010 10:28:58 GMT -5
the mention of ou coach groce is interesting. not sure what their record is under him but i doubt it is as good as ours over the same period of time. but beating georgetown in ncaa gives him credibility and mention in this bcs position. i still think that is a major negative for bb. and i agree with big d, unless coach just wants to resign and find another job he needs to get to work on his current job and get us a player that will help us next year.
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Post by Big D on Apr 10, 2010 11:37:16 GMT -5
the mention of ou coach groce is interesting. not sure what their record is under him but i doubt it is as good as ours over the same period of time. but beating georgetown in ncaa gives him credibility and mention in this bcs position. i still think that is a major negative for bb. and i agree with big d, unless coach just wants to resign and find another job he needs to get to work on his current job and get us a player that will help us next year. John Groce has a better resume for a BCS job than Brownell IMO. He just finished his second year at Ohio. He went 15-17 his first year and 21-15 his second year. He has 1 trip to the NCAAs and made it to the second round. The reason I like his resume more is that he has been an assistant coach at several major programs (Butler, NC State, Xavier, OSU). He has recruited top 100 players to those schools and sent players onto the NBA. He has been to the NCAAs as a head coach and he won a game. Brownell has never coached at a major university. He has never signed a top 100 player or developed an NBA player. He has gone to the dance, but he is 0-3 in the tournament. I really think he has to prove that he can sign a higher level of recruit than he currently has and/or he needs to have some post season success before he is going to get a BCS job.
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Post by OG Raiderfan on Apr 10, 2010 14:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by OG Raiderfan on Apr 10, 2010 14:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 10, 2010 15:26:05 GMT -5
but, big d, would he be in this discussion (groce that is) had ou not just beaten georgetown and gone on to the 2nd round. i really do not think so. i agree with the rest of your post.
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Post by Big D on Apr 10, 2010 20:07:32 GMT -5
but, big d, would he be in this discussion (groce that is) had ou not just beaten georgetown and gone on to the 2nd round. i really do not think so. i agree with the rest of your post. But he did beat Georgetown. Brownell has had 3 shots at winning an NCAA tournament game and hasn't done it yet. That's why he is still at WSU and not already at his dream BCS job.
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Post by Rush the Court on Apr 10, 2010 20:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by Rush the Court on Apr 10, 2010 20:56:05 GMT -5
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Post by Sixth Man on Apr 11, 2010 12:02:28 GMT -5
WAKE AGREES TO DEAL WITH COLORADO'S BZDELIK Sunday, April 11, 2010 By Jeff Goodman Wake Forest will hire Colorado coach Jeff Bzdelik to replace Dino Gaudio. FOXSports.com reported that Bzdelik was the frontrunner on Friday and the two sides have agreed to a deal, according to multiple sources. Bzdelik, 57, has been at Colorado for the past three years and spent two seasons in the NBA as the head coach of the Denver Nuggets from 2002-04. He and Wake Forest athletic director Ron Wellman, a former college baseball coach, have a relationship that dates back to when both were at Northwestern. Bzdelik's daughter also attends Wake Forest. Prior to taking the Colorado job in 2007, Bzdelik compiled a 50-16 record in two seasons at Air Force from 2005-07 and went to the NCAA tournament. Bzdelik has also been a college assistant at Davidson, Northwestern and UMBC and has been in the NBA as an assistant and scout for 15 years. Bzdelik would take over a Wake Forest program that has lost three players early to the NBA in the last two seasons: James Johnson and Jeff Teague last year and Al-Farouq Aminu this year. The front-runner to replace Bzdelik is Colorado assistant Steve McClain - a former head coach at Wyoming. community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/?pref_tab=blog
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Post by Sixth Man on Apr 11, 2010 12:05:00 GMT -5
CLEMSON UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT IS Sunday, April 11, 2010 By Jeff Goodman It took DePaul nearly three months to finally come down to earth. Oregon is coming up on a month without a coach since getting rid of Ernie Kent. Clemson, thus far, has taken the correct approach. Get someone who wants and fits the job. The Tigers athletic director Terry Don Phillips and associate athletic director Bill D’Andrea aren’t wasting their time going after guys that aren’t coming. The two administrators, who are both “football guys”, know what they are – unlike Oregon and DePaul – who both have over-inflated egos of their institutions. Thus, Clemson has communicated with a handful or so candidates – most of whom are qualified and would fit the program. - Wright State’s Brad Brownell – 84-45 in four seasons at Wright State and was previously at UNC-Wilmington, where he was 83-40 and went to a pair of NCAA tournaments. - Old Dominion’s Blaine Taylor – Led the Monarchs to a 27-9 mark and knocked off Notre Dame in the first round of the NCAA tournament. He’s been to a trio of NCAA tourneys in nine years at the helm. - Jacksonville’s Cliff Warren – The former Georgia Tech assistant has orchestrated an impressive turnaround with the Dolphins after winning just a single game in his first season. He won the league this past season and has gone to two straight NIT’s. - Wofford’s Mike Young – Won the Southern Conference title and almost beat Wisconsin in the first round of the NCAA tournament this past season. Has been head coach for past eight seasons after being a long-time assistant at the school. - Ex-Boston College coach Al Skinner – He obviously has a terrific resume in his tenure at BC – one of the toughest jobs in the ACC. However, since Bill Coen and Ed Cooley left, the Eagles have struggled and haven’t been to the postseason in two of the last three years. I’m not sold Skinner, without Coen and Cooley, could get it done at Clemson. - Sources have told FOXSports.com that Oklahoma’s Jeff Capel is not involved and Baylor’s Scott Drew isn’t interested in the job. community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/?pref_tab=blog
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Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 11, 2010 18:28:01 GMT -5
ok, someone help me out here. according to the article by martin rickman bb has recruited four players in the incoming class in the top 80 on espn. what top 80 is that. he cannot be referring to top 80 in the country. has he got some other top 80 in mind or is he just wrong??
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Post by ohiopirate on Apr 11, 2010 18:39:31 GMT -5
The 80 rating they are talking about is an arbitrary number rating assigned to prospects - not unlike a "grade" in school. Higher the better.
From ESPN:
The grading scale for basketball recruiting is similar to the grading scale used for football, with a few subtle differences.
Scouts Inc. High School Basketball Grading System
98-100: High-major plus prospect Player demonstrates rare abilities. He should have an immediate impact at a national program with the potential for early entry into the NBA.
Hello, My Name Is … Our scouts have extensive professional and college playing and coaching backgrounds, which allows Scouts Inc. to provide fans the most in-depth analysis in recruiting. Meet the scouts of Scouts Inc. Story 94-97: High-major prospect Player has the potential to significantly contribute as a freshman for most national programs. He could be a three- or four-year starter and have an opportunity for all-league honors.
90-93: High-major minus prospect Player has the potential to significantly contribute to a national program as a freshman. He could be a four-year contributor with an opportunity to start over the course of his career.
87-89: Mid-major plus prospect Player could contribute for three or four years at a high-major program or have a significant impact as a freshman at a mid-major program.
83-86: Mid-major prospect Player should be a solid contributor and two- or three-year starter at a mid-major program.
80-82: Mid-major minus prospect Player could be a three- or four-year contributor with an opportunity to eventually start at a mid-major program.
77-79: Low-major plus prospect Player could contribute at a mid-major school but should be a significant contributor as a freshman at a low-major program.
73-76: Low-major prospect Player should be a solid contributor and two- or three-year starter at a low-major program.
70-72: Low-major minus prospect Player could be a three- or four-year contributor with an opportunity to eventually start at a low-major program.
40: Pending Prospect Player evaluation is pending film.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 11, 2010 21:46:28 GMT -5
op, thank you for that information. i emailed the author of the article, martin rickman, and have already gotten his reply. it has some interesting info and so i am pasting it below. gives some props to our current recruits.
The statement may have been a bit confusing--they aren't players in the top 80, they're rated at least an "80" in the ESPN ratings system on their recruiting page. Stanton is the best player according to them at 85, Cole Darling at 84, Kegan Clark at 82, A.J. Pacher at 82.
For comparison, the two best players according to ESPN in the 2010 classes in the Horizon are Jay Harris (93, Valpo) and Khyle Marshall (92, Butler).
Here's what ESPN had to say about Stanton:
October, 2009: In his first real summer on the recruiting circuit, Stanton made believers out of everyone that had ever questioned his ability and skill level on the hardwood. Lightning quick with a ridiculous first step, this pass first point guard showed off the charts leadership ability and carried an average summer squad to the brink of some serious success against some of the top lead guards in the country. One of those pesky defenders that comfortable guards really dislike playing against, his effort and determination made him a household mid-major name on numerous prospect lists. A good but not great shooter, who can finish in the lane with a soft floater or simply slip by you for the easy lay-in, plays the game intense but with a smooth temperament. He doesn%u2019t seem to get rattled and never gives up on a play or loose ball if he thinks he can make something happen to help his team. Leadership personified makes him a very coveted prospect. He is an outstanding young man on and off the court.
The book on all four of your guys is that they are high basketball IQ players with solid skill sets. It is interesting too that Brownell has brought them in from 4 different states--MI, OH, IN, TN. I really hope I didn't come across as critical of Brad in my article. I was just saying that I felt that Wake should reach higher in their search (but with Bzdelik nearing as our coach, I would for sure rather have Brownell).
I followed him closely when he was with UNC-Wilmington and thought that you guys got a great get when he packed up to WSU. I've really been waiting for him to make that next big push and break through in the tournament. My dad is a prominent Valpo alum and he speaks pretty highly of Brownell.
Hopefully that helped to clear things up. My wording was confusing and thanks for bringing that to my attention--I've tried to make an edit that makes more sense. Thanks for reading the site and for reaching out.
-- Martin Rickman
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Post by Retired Coach on Apr 11, 2010 22:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by riceownz2 on Apr 12, 2010 7:44:35 GMT -5
Clemson and WF really worry me, much more than Iowa. I think Billy Donlon would be a very good coach, but I want BB here for a few more years. Anyway I wish something would happen soon, so WSU can get on with recruiting. I'm frustrated because even if Clemson and WF decide to go with their frunt runners, it just starts another round of Brownell to Colorado or Brownell to Baylor, etc. At some point he needs to shut down the job search this year and focus on being our head coach. Big D I have never agreed with someone so much in my life lol.
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