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Post by rock70 on Feb 1, 2011 9:22:06 GMT -5
Wow has the MAC really fallen this season. Realtimerpi has the MAC rated the number 21 conference as of today. It seems to me that over the last several years that MAC has finished below the Horizon League and was finishing in the 15 range but they have really taken a hit this year! Kent State at number 78 is the only top 100 rpi team with Miami next at 104. Sadly the "perception" is that the MAC is on par with the Horizon League in basketball. Sometimes I think football has a lot to do with that perception. This has to help all the Horizon League coaches in recruiting I would think? www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html |
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Post by Big D on Feb 1, 2011 9:49:07 GMT -5
The MAC hasn't finished ahead of the HL since 2004/05
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Feb 1, 2011 20:01:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sixth Man on Feb 1, 2011 20:28:34 GMT -5
I don't think any of those schools are HL material except Oakland and I think Detroit would throw a hissy before they would allow Oakland into the conference. |
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Post by hhgreen on Feb 1, 2011 21:10:30 GMT -5
I don't think the Horizon League should look at any of them coming here. We got our hands full now. The only team that bothers me is Youngstown State, but they do give competitive games sometimes.
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Post by gmoser1210 on Feb 5, 2011 16:57:21 GMT -5
Oakland would probably be a good addition, IUPUI might be a good addition, and IPFW would not be a good addition to the Horizon League. The biggest disadvantage of adding Oakland and IUPUI is their men's basketball facilities. Oakland's "O'Rena" has a capacity of only 4,005, and IUPUI's "Jungle" only holds 1,215. These would be the smallest arenas in the league.
As far as RPI, Oakland is 78 and IUPUI is currently #100 (according to realtimerpi.com). Over the last seven seasons, Oakland has averaged an RPI of 165 with a high of 52 and a low of 285. Over the same period, IUPUI's average RPI is 150 with a high of 70 and a low of 241.
Overall, I don't think they'd be horrible for the league, but I don't think they'd add much as far as men's basketball is concerned.
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Post by BasketBallJones on Feb 20, 2011 9:42:33 GMT -5
To illustrate your point further Rock, I just looked at Joe Lunardi's Mock NCAA Bracket. He has Miami, the current leader in the MAC conference, plugged in as a #16 seed. In contrast, he has both Cleveland State and Butler projected to get in at #13 & #12 respectively.
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Post by ohiopirate on Feb 22, 2011 23:38:22 GMT -5
Why does this league stink? [+] EnlargeAntonio Gates oug Pensinger/Getty Images Gone are the days of Antonio Gates and Kent State making it to the Elite Eight. The MAC (33) currently is rated the No. 18 league in the land by Jeff Sagarin's computer (and 21st in the RPI). That's a fairly precipitous fall from even the modest position the Midwestern collection of colleges once held. From 2000 to '05, the MAC average was No. 11 in Sagarin's ratings. From 2006 to the present, that rank is No. 16. And this season, it's all the way down to 18 -- just behind the Summit League and just ahead of the Big West (not to be confused in the slightest with the Big East). Sagarin does not rank a single MAC school in his top 100 -- there simply isn't a single entity in the 12-team league to get overly excited about. As recently as 2007-08, the MAC had five in the Sagarin top 100. In 2002, Kent State (34) reached the Elite Eight with Antonio Gates playing power forward. In 1999, Miami (Ohio) (35) made the Sweet 16 behind Wally Szczerbiak. In 1990, Ball State (36) advanced to the Sweet 16, where the Cardinals nearly upset eventual national champion UNLV. The next season, Eastern Michigan (37) made it to that round. So this is a league with some history. But it now has become a mystery. Maybe the general population decline in the industrial centers of the upper Midwest has had an impact on recruiting. Maybe schools have felt the budgetary crunch of playing football at the highest classification and it has affected the basketball bottom line. Maybe there are too many aging facilities, mismanaged athletic departments and uninspiring coaches. Whatever the root cause, MAC basketball is floundering. And there's no reason to believe that will change anytime soon. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6146319 |
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