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Post by mrose on Mar 15, 2011 12:08:25 GMT -5
Isn't it a bit of a dichotomy to have the women pay to play yet it is beneath the men's team to do so?
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Post by WrightStateFan on Mar 15, 2011 12:20:28 GMT -5
Isn't it a bit of a dichotomy to have the women pay to play yet it is beneath the men's team to do so? No. I don't think so. It is a fraction of the cost for the women to play. They are healthy and they have young players that will benefit from playing in the tournament. |
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 15, 2011 13:09:49 GMT -5
I agree with WSF.The women's team was picked to finish near the bottom of the HL, but finished 4th with 19 wins tying our previous D-I record for most wins. More importantly, the cost of their participating is a small fraction of the men's participation fee. Also the team is in much better physical shape than the men's team right now. Molly Fox has an ankle injury, but she has played well these past two games and will be even stronger tomorrow night. And finally, you have to recognize that this is their first shot at tasting post-season tournament play. That is very important when you have a new coach with definite plans/goals for future post season play. This is recognition of the effort made by the team and the coaching staff this season.
As I have said before the game being played this year by the women's team was a lot different from our teams in the past. The seniors and the new players all bought into making this strong effort. I'm sure the fans who have gone to games over the years all saw this effort and elevated performance game after game and agree with this decision. Was their progess smooth and flawless? Absolutely not, but it was markedly improved.
I am excited for the future of both basketball teams, just as I've been excited over baseball and softball. I think we should all want success for all the WSU teams.
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Post by udstillsucks on Mar 15, 2011 22:50:30 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more with mrose about the having the women play in a post season tournament and not the men. The arguments about money and health of the players is just ludicrous. If they're hurt, they shouldn't be playing to beging with (and some of those hurt shouldn't have been playing, but that's for another day). The young players would have benefitted tremendously from the extra practice. If I were a senior on the men's team, I would be p---ssed off, my thanks for 4 years is this.....
I'm not knocking the ladies, more power to them, but this was a horrible decision to not have the men play.
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Post by Big D on Mar 15, 2011 23:18:16 GMT -5
Our Coach and AD decided that it wasn't worth the money to continue to play ball. This year you have to pay $35,000 for a first round game, $55,000 for a second round game, $75,000 for a third round game, and $100,000 for the championship game. If we would have participated and won the whole thing we could have shelled out $265,000. Our entire basketball budget this year was just over 1.9 million. Playing potentially 4 more games in some BS tournament that no one cares about was not worth giving up 14% of next year's basketball budget. Coach Donlon could put that money to use in a multitude of ways that would benefit our program more over the long run. CBI costs: www.thestarpress.com/article/20110315/SPORTS2002/103150310/1006/SPORTS |
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Post by ohiopirate on Mar 16, 2011 8:07:23 GMT -5
I’d rather see us use that money to do something like take the men’s team overseas for one of those tours where they get to play a few European pro teams. I’m not sure what the cost runs but that seems like it would be a better use of the money than the CBI. Especially to do it next season when we’ll have a bunch of new kids – none of whom are used to being the “go-to guy” on our team. Something like that could really help our team come together and gel quickly next season. That would actually be a good investment because it could help us actually get to a REAL tournament next season.
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Post by mrose on Mar 17, 2011 1:01:25 GMT -5
My question wasn't regarding the financial differences between the women and men pay to play tournaments or if the team is healthy or not. We all know the price tag is like comparing apples to oranges. And after 3 years of, "we're banged up and can't play" I'm a bit skeptical of that "reason" for the men not to play.
That said, I intended my question to be more philosophical in nature. If these tournaments are "third rate" do we want any of our athletics to be affliated with these types of tournies? Should it be a matter of principal of NOT paying to play no matter what the entry cost is?
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Post by Raider Fanatic on Mar 17, 2011 7:57:45 GMT -5
That said, I intended my question to be more philosophical in nature. If these tournaments are "third rate" do we want any of our athletics to be affliated with these types of tournies? Should it be a matter of principal of NOT paying to play no matter what the entry cost is? No offense to women's basketball or any other sport at WSU, but no one really cares about any sport at WSU besides men's basketball. I think we care 10000000x more about how our men's team is preceived than all other sports combined. |
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Post by theleewmowen on Mar 17, 2011 8:57:20 GMT -5
No offense to women's basketball or any other sport at WSU, but no one really cares about any sport at WSU besides men's basketball. I think we care 10000000x more about how our men's team is preceived than all other sports combined. Not trying to start a huge argument here, but I half disagree and half agree. There are people that care about all the sports at Wright State, such as myself. Of course you have parents, other family members, siblings, friends, spouses/special someones, student media, etc... You also have alumni of the teams that will continue to come to the games, and some even work for the teams or Athletic Department. Granted, I also agree through that the majority of people only care about Men's Basketball. You don't see 5,000+ go to any other events. The Dayton media really doesn't cover the other sports like they do for Men's Basketball (unless you consider two to three short paragraphs good coverage.) So to wrap up my reply, I both agree and disagree about that, and thought I'd just toss in my two cents. |
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 17, 2011 9:36:00 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to the question about our participation in such tournaments. For me, the decision on the men's tournament made sense to me each year. We have been banged up at season's end and I'm sure our money has been tight, so I can understand the decisions that were made.
For the women's team I think we had a different situation. We had a team that played much better than expected. The price to play was much less. It was an opportunity to reward 5 seniors and give a lesson on participating in post-season play to the large freshmen class we have this season. And finally, the team was healthy except for Molly Fox, who has been playing great for us while recovering from an ankle injury, having scored 20 points and getting 16 rebounds last night.
I always say it is a shame when the Dayton community of "basketball fans" never get to see a DaShaun Wood or Vaughn Duggins play a game in person because they are wearing green and gold and not red and blue. I think it is shameful when WSU fans don't get to see the game Molly Fox, Ta-myra Davis, Maria Bennett, LaShawna Thomas and company played last night because...? Well, the next game is on Sunday at 2. Let's hope our Raider fans can get to the game.
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Post by Fastbreak on Mar 17, 2011 9:38:20 GMT -5
I hate these pay to play tournaments for mens and womens basketball. It's not about who has a good team, it's about who can afford to buy games or is willing to buy games. So last night we spent $10,000 for our women's teams to get win #20 vs a 16-16 Buffalo team. I personally think that was a waste of resources. I hope all 316 fans in attendance had a good time though.  |
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 17, 2011 11:32:30 GMT -5
I can't deny they are 16-16 now, but I also won't deny that they were a very good team that finished 3rd in the MAC and gave us all we could handle. Fortunately we were hitting our FTs last night. Miss Brown avaeraged 22 points and about 12 boards per game. Miss Zuber their PG is a terrific player. She is quick and can get off a 3 pointer in a blink of an eye. In short, they are a solid team and I'd like to us us schedule them in the future.
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Post by udstillsucks on Mar 17, 2011 21:40:58 GMT -5
Putting money over progressing the program is saying "We're comfortable with mediocrity, and we'll continue to strive for it." The baseball and softball teams are not afraid of playing bigger name schools, traveling everywhere and spending money with programs that don't generate revenue for the university, and what's got them, oh yeah, success....
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Post by Big D on Mar 17, 2011 21:49:26 GMT -5
Putting money over progressing the program is saying "We're comfortable with mediocrity, and we'll continue to strive for it." The baseball and softball teams are not afraid of playing bigger name schools, traveling everywhere and spending money with programs that don't generate revenue for the university, and what's got them, oh yeah, success.... What the hell are you talking about? Our baseball and softball teams GET PAID by those big schools to go play at their schools. It's called a buy game. They play several of those games every year to help fund their season. Our men's basketball team plays at least 1 buy game a year to help fund their season too. |
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Post by getrowdy44 on Mar 17, 2011 22:37:18 GMT -5
While I agree that we are stuck in mediocrity, it's not because of who we schedule. It's because we fail to win big games time after time again.
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