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Post by Indy Raider on Feb 15, 2012 20:32:21 GMT -5
We just don't have he horses to hang with athletic teams like Detroit. They are prob. best suited to get the HL a win in the big dance. They can't shoot worth a crap from outside and their coach isn't much of an in game coach. He just knows how to recruit talent. I think CSU is much better suited to win a NCAA tournament game. |
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Post by Cheerfan on Feb 15, 2012 20:33:25 GMT -5
I like Valpo over Detroit or CSU for winning an NCAA tourney game.
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Post by Raider Pride on Feb 15, 2012 20:35:40 GMT -5
We just don't have he horses to hang with athletic teams like Detroit. They are prob. best suited to get the HL a win in the big dance. I agree. |
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Post by Cheerfan on Feb 15, 2012 20:45:02 GMT -5
For all of that superior talent, Detroit is 15-12 with an RPI of 183. If they get into the NCAA tournament, they will be playing in Dayton in the play in games.
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Post by Indy Raider on Feb 15, 2012 20:46:42 GMT -5
Yeah, if they win the play in game, they don't have achance in hell against a #1 seed they would be facing in the first round.
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Post by Indy Raider on Feb 15, 2012 20:47:24 GMT -5
Valpo and CSU are top 100 teams. They would at least get a 14 seed and a chance to win a game.
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Post by Cheerfan on Feb 15, 2012 20:53:14 GMT -5
For all of that superior talent, Detroit is 15-12 with an RPI of 183. If they get into the NCAA tournament, they will be playing in Dayton in the play in games. They have won 8 out of last 10. 9 out of 11 in a few minutes. I'd take my chances in the dance with that team. Yhey have played ND, Bama & miss State all pretty close & that was before they started coming together. It doesn't matter what they have done against shitty HL teams. They would get their jocks handed to them by a #1 seed. |
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Post by Indy Raider on Feb 15, 2012 21:02:14 GMT -5
Any of the top 4 teams in the HL could win the play in game. None would win vs a Number 1 seed. Valpo and CSU would at least get a better seed that would give them a chance to win a real game in the dance.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Feb 16, 2012 9:04:33 GMT -5
two thoughts. first, i think it is very, very unlikely that the hl rep to the tournament will be in the play in game. dang near impossible unless i misunderstand how those games are selected. second, i watched a lot of the inside play last night and i just did not see any holman thuggery. he just overpowered our guys on the inside.
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Post by Retired Coach on Feb 16, 2012 10:43:20 GMT -5
two thoughts. first, i think it is very, very unlikely that the hl rep to the tournament will be in the play in game. dang near impossible unless i misunderstand how those games are selected. second, i watched a lot of the inside play last night and i just did not see any holman thuggery. he just overpowered our guys on the inside. I'm 100% certain you are 0 for 2 there Keith. First, the play in games match up the lowest rated teams that made the NCAA tournament by winning their conferences automatic bid. It usually consists of teams from lower rated conferences, but if Detroit won the HL tournament, they would definitely be playing in the play in game. They have a crappy record and very low RPI that is consistent with the teams that have played in Dayton the last few years in the play in games. Second, Holman is a thug. He has been suspended twice in the last 2 years for fighting in HL games. He punched a UIC player in his privates last year to earn a 2 game suspension. If you watched him last night, you would have seen him punch Mpondo in the lower back several times when shots went up and he was trying to get position for rebounds. He is everything that is wrong with college basketball. It's a joke that Detroit even let him back on their team after they suspended him for the first 1/2 of the year. |
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Post by Indy Raider on Feb 16, 2012 10:57:11 GMT -5
First, the play in games match up the lowest rated teams that made the NCAA tournament by winning their conferences automatic bid. It usually consists of teams from lower rated conferences, but if Detroit won the HL tournament, they would definitely be playing in the play in game. They have a crappy record and very low RPI that is consistent with the teams that have played in Dayton the last few years in the play in games. That is exactly what I have been saying. Detroit is 14-12 with an RPI of 183. Last years play in games included Alabama St (283), Texas San Antonio (193), Arkansas-Little Rock (188), and UNC-Asheville (147). The year before, there was only 1 play in game which consisted of Arkansas-Pine Bluff (183) vs Winthrop (160). I have no doubt whatsoever that they would be in the play in game if they won the HL tournament. |
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Post by wolf41 on Feb 16, 2012 14:17:50 GMT -5
The first time we went to the NCAA to play Indiana I think we were ranked 15th in the region. I think this UDM team, at this moment, is much better than we were back then. If they continue to play as they have been and win the tournament I think they'll be ranked as a 14th regional seed or maybe higher.
They have 4 guys averaging double digits per game and two others average over 9 points per game. They have 7 guys averaging 20+ minutes per game and 3 guys averaging 9 to 12 minutes. Only 3 guys average over 30 minutes, and they are in the low 30s. They are, I believe, the most offensive team in the HL AND they play strong defense, are very fast, and hit the boards. They remind me of UC and UL teams of the past. If they continue to play as they are now, they will be a tough team in March.
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Post by Wolf on Feb 16, 2012 14:39:50 GMT -5
You guys really don't understand how the NCAA seeding is done. It's very much based on a teams RPI. Based on Detroits rankings, they would be in the play in game or just a 16 seed if they got lucky. There isn't the slightest chance they would get a 15 seed. WSU got a 14 seed in 2007 and our RPI was 74 that year. Detroit is ranked over 100 spots lower.
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Post by Retired Coach on Feb 17, 2012 5:43:48 GMT -5
Detroit is 16-12 & would be 22-12 if they win out. 10 games over .500 is hardly play in material. Particularly with the skilled athletic players they have on their roster. I think a 14 or 15 seed is possible if that scenario unfolds. I wouldn't want to be the 3 seed playing them. Let's repeat this one last time for the slow people in the class. NCAA TOURNAMENT SEEDING IS BASED ON RPI. Detroit has a very high RPI and will be playing a bunch of bad teams with bad RPIs to finish the year (258, 83, and 164) and 1/2 of the games they play in the HL tournament will be against teams with bad RPIs. Even if they win all of those games (which I doubt they will), they will still have an RPI around 150. There has NEVER been a 14 or 15 seed with an RPI anywhere near 150. |
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Post by wolf41 on Feb 17, 2012 10:38:32 GMT -5
But they also look at how a team has done near the end of the year, and UDM has done very well. If they can keep that hot streak going and win the HL tournament, I think they will be seeded better than you think.
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