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Mar 31, 2013 11:30:05 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Mar 31, 2013 11:30:05 GMT -5
Following are stats through the Richmond game.
Points per shot:
Young.... 1.17 Yoho.......1.15 Griffen.... 1.14 Vest....... 1.04 Darling... 1.01 Pacher..... .89 Arceneaux .89 Dixon....... .86 Sledge..... .83 Bramonta. .78
Rebounds per 40 Minutes
Sledge 9.4 Young 8.5 Pacher 7.7 Darling 7.5 Vest 6.1 Yoho 5.9 Bramonti 4.5 Griffin 3.3 Arceneaux 3.3 Dixon 2.6 Assists per 40 Minutes
Vest 3.7 Arceneaux 3.4 Bramonti 3.2 Griffin 2.9 Dixon 2.2 Pacher 2.1 Young 1.8 Darling .97 Sledge .84 Yoho .64
TOs per 40 Minutes
Yoho 1.9 Vest 2.0 Griffin 2.2 Pacher 2.3 Dixon 2.3 Sledge 2.4 Darling 2.8 Arceneaux 2.9 Bramonti 3.4 Young 3.4
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Mar 31, 2013 12:51:23 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Mar 31, 2013 12:51:23 GMT -5
When you total these four stats you get the a total ranking with the lowest score showing the best performer in regards to these four measurements.
1. Vest 12 2. Griffin 18 3. Yoho 19 4. Young 20 5. Pacher 20 6. Darling 24 7. Sledge 25 8. Arceneaux 26 9. Dixon 27 10. Bramonti 29
If you just look at points per shot and rebounds you get the following ranking.
1. Young 3 2. Yoho 8 3. Vest 9 4. Pacher 9 5. Darling 9 6. Sledge 10 7. Griffin 11 8. Arceneaux 16 9. Bramonti 17 10. Dixon 18
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Mar 31, 2013 13:07:13 GMT -5
Post by Doliboabros on Mar 31, 2013 13:07:13 GMT -5
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Mar 31, 2013 13:28:28 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Mar 31, 2013 13:28:28 GMT -5
Based on these numbers alone the top 7 players next season would be Young, who needs to work on reducing his TOs, Yoho, who could look for the open man more, Vest, Darling, who also needs to reduce TOs, Pacher, Griffen, who could look to improve his rebounding, and Sledge, who needs to improve his shooting around the basket.
Arceneaux is nunber 2 in assists, but is 7th, 8th, and 9th in the other three stats. He probably needs to reduce his number of shots or increase his accuracy to over 40% as he shot about 36% from the field. He also needs to cut his TOs.
Dixon is in the top five in assists and TOs, but is 8th in points per shot and 10th in rebounds. Like Reggie he needs to take fewer shots or improve his accuracy to over 40%.
Bramonti was 3rd in assists for time played, but was 9th in TOs and 10th in points per shot. As a PG he needs to reduce the TOs and work on his accuracy from the field.
I didn't do any thing with FT %, but for the record here are the results except for the Santa Clara game.
1. Darling .831 2. Bramonti .774 3. Dixon .750 4. Pacher .739 5. Yoho .733 6. Griffen .731 7. Arceneaux . 724 8. Young .621 9. Sledge .523 10. Vest .521
Obviously those bottom 3 really need to work on their FTs. How Vest and Young can excel in their shooting but do so poorly from the line is a real mystery.
I know stats aren't the total package for a player, but I bet they are a huge % of what the coaches are looking for from a player.
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Mar 31, 2013 14:12:18 GMT -5
Post by Raider3G on Mar 31, 2013 14:12:18 GMT -5
I think Vest mostly takes high percentage shots (lay-ups, fast break points) so I think his FG%is a little deceiving, and his ability to shoot is reflected in his FT %. Kudos for putting this together...a lot of time on boards, people complain without looking at data, but this puts it in perspective.
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Mar 31, 2013 15:16:26 GMT -5
Post by WrightStateFan on Mar 31, 2013 15:16:26 GMT -5
Based on these numbers alone the top 7 players next season would be Young, who needs to work on reducing his TOs, Yoho, who could look for the open man more, Vest, Darling, who also needs to reduce TOs, Pacher, Griffen, who could look to improve his rebounding, and Sledge, who needs to improve his shooting around the basket. Arceneaux is nunber 2 in assists, but is 7th, 8th, and 9th in the other three stats. He probably needs to reduce his number of shots or increase his accuracy to over 40% as he shot about 36% from the field. He also needs to cut his TOs. Dixon is in the top five in assists and TOs, but is 8th in points per shot and 10th in rebounds. Like Reggie he needs to take fewer shots or improve his accuracy to over 40%. Bramonti was 3rd in assists for time played, but was 9th in TOs and 10th in points per shot. As a PG he needs to reduce the TOs and work on his accuracy from the field. I didn't do any thing with FT %, but for the record here are the results except for the Santa Clara game. I think any stat can be misleading. Dixon for example doesn't shoot the highest FG%. I think part of that reason is Dixon is willing to take a shot when we are struggling on offense. He will drive the lane and put up a tough shot in traffic because we need a bucket. Guys like Vest, Griffin, and Bramanti don't step up as often as they should. If they were carrying their own weight on offense, guys like Miles and Reggie wouldn't feel forced to carry our offense.
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Apr 1, 2013 11:11:44 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Apr 1, 2013 11:11:44 GMT -5
Yes, we can always argue the point that "A" does this because "B" or "C" doesn't do it. Thus Reggie and Miles lead the team in shots taken because no one else will shoot. I don't know anyway of sorting that out except to ask the coaches. It has been reported that at least Reggie was directed to shoot less. True or not I don't know, but he did reduce his shooting late in the season.
But I do agree that Griffin and Vest need to take more shots when they are open. I think Sledge really needs to work on his touch when taking point blank shots. Bramonti also passed up numerous open shots this year. He is an effective driver to the hoop, so if you are open drive it to the hoop or stop short for a soft jump shot. I think Reggie is an aggressive shooter and forced up many bad shots this year. I think he will be even better next year in his shot selection.
My big hope is that Hopkins and Davis can both challenge the returning players for court time next season. I'm sure Hopkins can, but having never seen Davis on the court I have only his HS stats to look at.
Congrats to the coaches and players for a great season. Let's toughen our schedule next season and see where the chips fall.
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Apr 1, 2013 11:27:20 GMT -5
Post by Raider Fanatic on Apr 1, 2013 11:27:20 GMT -5
Wolf here are a few clips of Davis for you.
And Hopkins in case you forgot what kind of hops he had
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Apr 3, 2013 11:34:35 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Apr 3, 2013 11:34:35 GMT -5
In regards to the WSU defense I reviewed the 34 games played and found that in 14 games teams shot better than their season's average and in 20 games they shot worse than their season average. When I sum all the pluses and minuses they shot 1% worse on average over 34 games. The teams shooting worse than their season average were concentrated in the OOC schedule when the weak schedule contributed to our defensive effort.
For example, E. Ill. was .437 vs .372. Idaho State was .407 vs .300. NCA&T was .402 vs .333. BG was .419 vs .327. VMI was .434 vs .354. Replace these with some better quality teams and it is likely that the overall performance of the defense would have been worse.
In the HL tournament there was no advatage either way. In the CBI they shot worse in the first two games and better in the last game. The big under performer was Tulsa who shot about 8% below their season average.
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Apr 3, 2013 13:00:15 GMT -5
Post by Raider3G on Apr 3, 2013 13:00:15 GMT -5
In regards to the WSU defense I reviewed the 34 games played and found that in 14 games teams shot better than their season's average and in 20 games they shot worse than their season average. When I sum all the pluses and minuses they shot 1% worse on average over 34 games. The teams shooting worse than their season average were concentrated in the OOC schedule when the weak schedule contributed to our defensive effort. For example, E. Ill. was .437 vs .372. Idaho State was .407 vs .300. NCA&T was .402 vs .333. BG was .419 vs .327. VMI was .434 vs .354. Replace these with some better quality teams and it is likely that the overall performance of the defense would have been worse. In the HL tournament there was no advatage either way. In the CBI they shot worse in the first two games and better in the last game. The big under performer was Tulsa who shot about 8% below their season average. Any idea on turnovers and pts per game? Did teams have more turnovers against us vs. their season average, and also did they score less against us vs. their season average?
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Apr 3, 2013 13:27:58 GMT -5
Post by mrose on Apr 3, 2013 13:27:58 GMT -5
I don't believe points scored against WSU verses the season avg. is the correct benchmark. We ran the clock down quite a bit, thus giving the opposition fewer possessions. Turnovers would be a good stat, but what I would like to see is their points per possession against WSU vs. season avg.
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Apr 3, 2013 13:41:49 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Apr 3, 2013 13:41:49 GMT -5
That's an interesting idea. I'll think about doing such an analysis.
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Apr 3, 2013 20:12:00 GMT -5
Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 3, 2013 20:12:00 GMT -5
wolf, three stats here i find very interesting. first, matt v. shoots 52% from the ft line. i think you have talked about him at the point guard position. i would not want a pg who was shooting 52% handling the ball in a tight game. second, for a player who takes almost all his shots from 7 feet or in, tavaras shooting % is just awful. third, given that tavaras is 0-7 from the 3 i cannot see why he is ever shooting 3's. great job with all those stats. shows a lot of work.
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Apr 4, 2013 7:39:14 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Apr 4, 2013 7:39:14 GMT -5
Last year Matt only shot 12 FTs, but he made 10 of them for 83%. But his freshman year he only hit 57% of 42FTA. Why he and Young were so weak at the line this season is bewildering to me. I'm confident they can do better than that.
I agree that Sledge should never shoot a 3 again. He needs to hit the boards and look for shots within 10 feet of the basket.
The stats are fun to work on as I think you get a better understanding of how the players are performing. Sometimes the comments made on the message boards are totally out of line with the stats. And some folks will read the stats and still say , "Yes, but...". Stats aren't the full measure of a player, but they are pretty darn close.
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Apr 8, 2013 14:40:25 GMT -5
Post by wolf41 on Apr 8, 2013 14:40:25 GMT -5
I looked at the average points per shot, excluding E. Ill. and Santa Clara, because I could not find composite box scores for their 2012-'13 seasons.
Overall the other teams averaged .98 points per shot versus averaging .93 points per shot versus the Raiders.
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