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Post by Willie on Mar 16, 2014 20:21:37 GMT -5
Past selection committees have said that teams stand on their own regardless of conference. I doubt WSU's OOC schedule was a factor in whether or not Green Bay won a game. You might have better luck convincing WSU to schedule better if you tried a different approach. That is partially true. WSU's schedule didn't hurt Green Bay nearly as much as our poor OOC winning percentage did. Every team in the HL, including Green Bay, failed Green Bay with the way we schedule. Every time any of us schedules a non-D1 team it hurts the conference's RPI and each school's RPI. LeCrone and our ADs have lied to all of us stating that it is better to schedule those types of games instead of low majors. That isn't true. They advocate it because it gives us more home games. RPI is based on your winning % (25%), your opponent's winning % (50%), and your opponent's opponent's winning % (25%). The entire conference would be better served if we all played an entire schedule of low majors and won those games because it helps your winning percentage. It helps the rest of the HL because 50% of their RPI comes from how good our winning percentage is. That is the true secret of the A-10's success with getting multiple teams in the dance. They all kick butt in their OOC schedules and let the chips fall where they may when they play each other in conference play. Most of you think Green Bay got screwed. They were 24-6 and had an RPI of 58. In the eyes of the NCAA selection committee they were 21-6 with an RPI of 58. They played 3 non-D1 teams that the selection committee didn't consider as part of their resume. If they would have played 3 crappy low majors and won those games and everyone in the HL would have done the same instead of scheduling those non-D1 games, Green Bay would have been 24-6 and probably had an RPI under 50. That would have gotten them in. If you don't believe me, take a look at UD's resume. They got in with a record of 23-10 with an RPI of 43. Their OOC SOS was 100. Green Bay's OOC SOS was 52. Playing 3 cupcakes wouldn't have hurt their SOS much, but it would have improved their win total and RPI.
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Post by Wolf on Mar 16, 2014 20:27:37 GMT -5
Cleveland State to play at Ohio U. in first round of CIT on Weds. at 7pm.
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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 16, 2014 21:11:49 GMT -5
Willie, I don't know what Green Bay's OOC was ranked. If what you say is true then the HL ( not just WSU ) really dragged it down. I don't disagree with what you say about the scheduling philosophy. I'd rather not play non-D1 unless it was for an exempt tourney that I wanted to participate in ( hopefully it would include some nice programs ). Hope all of the HL teams do well in postseason play.
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 17, 2014 7:06:56 GMT -5
Willie, thanks for the insight. I have argued for some time that LeCrone's viewpoint of playing 2 or 3 non-DI teams was a crock and I think your post should put it to bed. Your "majors" can afford that luxury because much of the rest of their OOC schedule is stronger and their conference schedule is much stronger to give them a strong SOS overall. Our HL schedule is good, but it isn't up to the conference schedules of the top conferences. If you think it is, you must be smoking something other than Camels.
I have a novel idea. Why don't we drop the non-DI teams and schedule solid teams. Right here in Ohio we have KSU, Akron, Ohio U. BG, Miami, Toledo, UC, X, and OSU. That's 9 decent teams not counting UD, plus we have CSU and YSU for 4 games. Plus we have 3 teams that had very good years this season sitting on our border in Robert Morris, E. Ky., and IPFW. Throw in Evansville, Ball State, and Ind. State as well as other MAC schools. What I'm saying is that we are in an area that is a hot bed of basketball, and I haven't even mentioned the rest of the Big Ten and other teams in Ill. and Ky. If we can't "find" decent teams to schedule there is something wrong with the folks compiling our schedule. Maybe we should farm the scheduling out to the women's program for a fee. I'm sure they could use the extra income to build their program ala UD.
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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 17, 2014 7:49:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure that scheduling for the women is the same. I don't hear all of the RPI talk or boosters getting their noses out of joint if you dare play so-and-so. In the past, we have had fans complain about loading up on MAC teams. We play Bowling Green two more times under the current contract. Hopefully, we can count on Miami to continue playing us. I would be willing to play OSU every once in awhile but, for any of the other schools they would have to come to the Nutter Center at some point ( I'd look 1-for-1 ). I also take offense to your term "decent" teams, I could live with a philosophy of RPI ranges but, there really are a lot of good basketball teams that many fans from here don't pay attention with.
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 17, 2014 9:28:30 GMT -5
tommygun, First off, I wasn't talking about women's basketball. But since you brought it up, I don't have any problem with our women's schedule. I think Coach Bradbury has a very good grasp of building the women's schedule. I suspect we'll see more of the same from him next season. He said at the pre-season luncheon that he felt that he had a solid team and he wanted to build a schedule that reflected his assessment of his team. I think the WSU women might have made the NCAA even if they had lost to GB yesterday. That might be a stretch on my part, but their OOC schedule looked pretty strong to me and they played up to it.
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Post by Big D on Mar 17, 2014 9:50:01 GMT -5
Our HL schedule is good, but it isn't up to the conference schedules of the top conferences. If you think it is, you must be smoking something other than Camels. Willie is correct. The HL is currently ranked 14th overall in RPI and had the 13th best SOS. Six of the 13 conferences ranked higher than us played weaker SOS than us. The difference is they had a higher winning percentage than us. 8 American Athletic Conference had the 26th rated SOS 9 West Coast Conference had the 15th rated SOS 10 Mountain West Conference had the 16th rated SOS 11 Missouri Valley Conference had the 20th rated SOS 12 Mid American Conference had the 19th rated SOS 13 Conference USA had the 22 SOS I'm not arguing that everyone in the HL should put together a schedule made up of all cupcakes, but we all need to put together a schedule we can have success against.
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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 17, 2014 9:59:47 GMT -5
Wolf41, I know some people may think we run a Mickey Mouse operation but, if your suggestion that someone in women's basketball didn't have anything better to do than schedule for the men then I think I'm insulted a few different ways. Scheduling for women's basketball or baseball or softball isn't the same as men's basketball, I wish it were that simple. I do agree that the HL doesn't do us any favors with the notion of non-D1 scheduling and I do agree that a SOS can be better. Of course, it may look different on Nov 1st, Jan 1st, and March 17th. Happy St. Patrick's Day. ( I was looking at Green Bay's SOS on one site and it had a best of 1 and a worst of 350 or so before ending somewhere in the middle ).
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Post by wsuraider09 on Mar 17, 2014 12:15:39 GMT -5
Classic USA Today...articles written with absolutely no research done whatsoever. This will give you all a chuckle.
No. 2 Villanova Wildcats vs. No. 15 Milwaukee Panthers
Milwaukee struggled in the regular season but caught fire from three to take down a talented Green Bay team in the Summit League final. Despite their recent play, the Panthers likely won’t have what it takes to upset coach Jay Wright’s offensive juggernaut in Villanova. The Wildcats ranked 30th in the nation in scoring, averaging 78.5 points per game, and 20th in assists, with 15.6 per game.
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Post by raiders93 on Mar 18, 2014 20:32:33 GMT -5
Belmont is stomping UWGB
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Post by wsuraider09 on Mar 18, 2014 20:34:02 GMT -5
Down 20 at the Resch...ouch. Not a good end to their season. Valpo is in a dogfight down 2 at the ARC 6 to play.
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Post by raiders93 on Mar 18, 2014 20:34:34 GMT -5
And Valpo down 3 with 6 min left in CIT
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Post by wsuraider09 on Mar 18, 2014 20:38:19 GMT -5
Valpo game is a doozy. Columbia playing them very tough.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Mar 18, 2014 20:39:42 GMT -5
Valpo took the lead on a breakaway slam. Hope they can hang on.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Mar 18, 2014 20:49:47 GMT -5
Columbia buzzer beater knocks out Valpo
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