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Post by Jazzfan on Sept 24, 2014 20:05:01 GMT -5
I am so sick of these same people bitching, they demand excellence but will not pay for season tickets or donate! They sound like old men that have failed in life! KFX renounced his season tickets (last year) and still won't shut up. You quit, so stop bitching, why do you continue when you gave up? I will be at evey home game enjoying college basketball and watching a group of young men giving their all! +1
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Post by Big D on Sept 24, 2014 20:58:42 GMT -5
Last year I had the following to say about scheduling: I would consider a good OOC schedule as: 1. A true neutral site tournament with good mid-majors and majors
2. 1-2 buy games where we are bought to play a mid tier BCS program: I want the game to be televised and the opponent to be a team we can compete against. I don't want to be bought by Duke and get our ass kicked by 30 points. I want a team we could beat or at least look respectable against on TV.
3. 1-2 two for one contracts. We just finished a 2 for 1 with UC. We have played Michigan State in the past in a 2 for 1 contract. There are plenty of good teams that would be worth scheduling a 2 for 1 with. We should be targeting teams like Michigan State that has players on their roster that are local to Dayton. I would also be for scheduling an unbalanced schedule with a team like Butler or Xavier if we can make it a multiyear contract. Those 2 schools aren't majors, but we do know that they would fill the Nutter Center and they are teams we would have a legit shot at beating.
4. The rest of our games should be home/home contracts with good mid-majors. We should play teams with name recognition for fans. We should play teams that are located in the states we recruit in the most: Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois, Michigan. These are the type of teams that make the most sense: Ohio U, Kent State, Akron, Toledo, Evansville, Indiana State, Bradley, Southern Illinois, Illinois State, Northern Iowa, Murray State, Belmont, Eastern Kentucky, and Western Kentucky. And if you look at our past seasons, we have already played most of those schools so it isn't a stretch to think that we should be able to schedule them again. wrightstate.proboards.com/thread/2634/2013-14-men-basketball-schedule?page=12#ixzz3EHv2RJD5Like last year, I again think this schedule falls short. I am not going to boycott games or not renew my tickets, but I am disappointed in this schedule. I stated last year and I'll repeat it again. Grant needs to take scheduling duties away from Donlon and his staff. If he wants to increase attendance and revenue into the program we need a more appealing schedule and not more excuses.
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Post by mudman on Sept 24, 2014 21:07:37 GMT -5
I have had season tickets since the first game of D-1 basketball at the old gym and saw the first WSU game at Stebbins High school so you are not talking about me Raider Country. I have not a thing against Donlon's coaching or the players just this dambed down schedule the last few years. I think Grant should take over also.
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Post by mudman on Sept 24, 2014 21:08:26 GMT -5
dumbed.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Sept 24, 2014 21:56:35 GMT -5
So let me make sure I get your point, country. Those fans most dissatisfied with our crappy scheduling are the fans most likely to not pay their hard earned dollars to watch crappy teams come to the nutter. Country, you may have stumbled upon a really radical, and heretofore undiscovered, theory. Just brilliant. And butt, you and the 2500 or so others enjoy watching a div I team beat up on a couple of div ii teams. Hopefully those won't be the highlights of the season.
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Post by wsutommygun on Sept 24, 2014 22:38:09 GMT -5
Keith, the problem is that your solution is more likely to lead to more of these games in the future. So, do we make sure there are 7,500 or so for George Mason, Belmont, and Miami? If we make more on nights with D1 competition than we do with Urbana University and Ohio Dominican then it might open some eyes. Who exactly is the target of your rants? Donlon, LeCrone, the HL? Just because people go ( and with fewer home games why would you not go ) doesn't mean anyone agrees with the non-D1 route. When we were D2, I thought we could beat half of the D1 teams and I am thankful a few schools gave us the chance to find out ( I thought we were pretty good in those days though ). We really have some pretty soft fans...it might be cold...it might have 2 inches of snow...it's too close to the holidays...it is on a school night...that's without considering who the opponent is so, who has a problem with, George Mason, Belmont and the Redhawks? Will you make every effort to be there on those nights?
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Post by Raider Country on Sept 24, 2014 22:41:17 GMT -5
So let me make sure I get your point, country. Those fans most dissatisfied with our crappy scheduling are the fans most likely to not pay their hard earned dollars to watch crappy teams come to the nutter. Country, you may have stumbled upon a really radical, and heretofore undiscovered, theory. Just brilliant. And butt, you and the 2500 or so others enjoy watching a div I team beat up on a couple of div ii teams. Hopefully those won't be the highlights of the season. Me and the 4117 other fans that attended games last year will be back and enjoying watching Wright State play ball this year. If you don't like the schedule then don't attend the games. No one is forcing you to come to the Nutter Center and honestly no one cares if you are there or not Keith. The same goes for this site. No one cares if you post here or not. Having opposing opinions is good for discussions, but you don't bring anything to any conversation anymore. All you want to do is complain about everything and I am not exaggerating. If you click on your own username and then click on recent posts, you have not made a single post in 2014 that could be interpreted as being positive. You have turned into a grumpy old man who acts pissed off at life. If following Wright State brings you so little joy in life, why in the heck do you continue to follow them?
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Post by uptempo on Sept 25, 2014 0:49:20 GMT -5
I don't understand people like RaiderNutt and Raider Country. Why are they content with mediocrity? Also, why are so many taking personal jabs at Keith from Xenia just because he has a different view point? Keith is a realist. He knows this program can't get better until it plays and beats better competition year in and year out. Xavier and Butler took risks with their programs, they beat good competition, and put their basketball programs on the map. WSU continues to play it safe with this years weak schedule.
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Post by Dr J on Sept 25, 2014 6:36:35 GMT -5
I don't remember anyone saying they were content with the schedule. I am not sure of all the issues with the scheduling but one of the glaring is not having it almost if not complete in August. There are mid majors that we could be possibly scheduling but not when there doesn't seem to be any effort on that until late. One of the things I would ask is what is BD's relationship with other coaches good relationships and playing an uptempo exciting game will get some interest. Having a defense, defense, defense attitude will not interest other coaches in playing us. Most programs want exciting competitive games not play a team that will slow everything down and produce a dull game. How many fans want to see 34 seconds off the shot clock on 90% of the teams offensive opportunities?
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Post by Raider Country on Sept 25, 2014 7:27:18 GMT -5
I don't understand people like RaiderNutt and Raider Country. Why are they content with mediocrity? Also, why are so many taking personal jabs at Keith from Xenia just because he has a different view point? Keith is a realist. He knows this program can't get better until it plays and beats better competition year in and year out. Xavier and Butler took risks with their programs, they beat good competition, and put their basketball programs on the map. WSU continues to play it safe with this years weak schedule. Read our posts again. Who said they were content with the schedule? You are putting words in our mouths. The people arguing with you and Keith are people that say they are attending games no matter who we play because we follow Wright State. It doesn't mean we are happy with the schedule. It means we choose to support the team because we know that the players have no say in who they are playing. If you read my post again I also said that having opposing opinions is good for the board. Keith used to offer that. Now all he does is bitch about everything for the sake of bitching. He cannot even acknowledge that we do have some good games on the schedule. We didn't have a home OOC game worth seeing last year. This year we have Miami, George Mason, and Belmont. There is nothing wrong with wanting more for our program, but you should also acknowledge the good in the program too. Keith hasn't had anything good to say about this program at all this entire year. That's BS. We may not be Butler, but if you only read Keith's posts you would think we were YSU.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 8:32:09 GMT -5
Anyone notice that the majority of people bitching about the home schedule are people that don't even attend home games. Why do you think that they're not attending? Might it be because of the home schedule? I enjoy D-1 men's basketball, but I'd rather spend $10 to see a good movie than watch Wright State beat the crap out of Urbana and Ohio Dominican. Sorry, but it's not worth the time, effort, and expense to attend those games. Scheduling such crappy games is one of the reasons that I dropped my season tickets a couple of years ago. Now that I am no longer a season ticket holder, I don't feel compelled to attend or pay for such meaningless contests between the varsity and the JVs.
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Post by BasketBallJones on Sept 25, 2014 10:38:54 GMT -5
Klinger wrote:
I concur. These are 2 meaningless games that are nothing more than glorified scrimmages. Plus both games are scheduled for Sunday evening during NFL football, one a 5pm and the other at 7pm. The actual attendance at these games probably won't exceed 2k, it that. The players and the fans deserve better than this.
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Post by wolf41 on Sept 25, 2014 16:30:29 GMT -5
There is no question in my mind that a weak schedule hurts our attendance. I also suspect that the act of scheduling is the lowest priority for men's basketball. I also suspect we don't work at it very hard to foreclose on our chances of getting better teams had we been aggressively seeking them. I suspect we'll end up with the weakest schedule in the HL and hope that we get 20 wins, what some perceive as a mark of a good season.
I continue to support the team, all teams in fact, because our student athletes deserve to have screaming fans in the stands whistling, cheering, and applauding. I think all the WSU teams play very good schedules. It is a shame that our big money sport elects to have some soft competition. This schedule is better than last year, but we should have expected and gotten more.
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Post by Raider Country on Sept 25, 2014 18:44:48 GMT -5
Anyone notice that the majority of people bitching about the home schedule are people that don't even attend home games. Why do you think that they're not attending? Might it be because of the home schedule? I enjoy D-1 men's basketball, but I'd rather spend $10 to see a good movie than watch Wright State beat the crap out of Urbana and Ohio Dominican. Sorry, but it's not worth the time, effort, and expense to attend those games. Scheduling such crappy games is one of the reasons that I dropped my season tickets a couple of years ago. Now that I am no longer a season ticket holder, I don't feel compelled to attend or pay for such meaningless contests between the varsity and the JVs. My statement wasn't just about those 2 games. The majority of people that are bitching about the schedule are people that don't attend ANY home games. That is sad too because we have 13 home games this year and 11 of them are games against HL teams and 3 good mid-majors: Miami, George Mason, and Belmont. I don't care if people don't want to attend the 2 D2 games, but anyone complaining about the rest of the schedule is just bitching for the sake of bitching.
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Post by Hoops Junkie on Sept 25, 2014 18:53:02 GMT -5
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