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Post by BasketBallJones on May 22, 2016 11:14:48 GMT -5
It would be nice to get an official update on the Roster. With Neel and R. Davis announcing their departures, it seems there could be as few as 10 scholarship players for next year or possibly 12 if S. Davis and Mortensen are still with the team. I know it was posted here that Mortensen was going back to Denmark to play professionally but I haven't seen any confirmation on that from the Athletic department. And the mysterious case of Stephen Davis is still out there. It would be nice to know what's happening with him.
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Post by Nutt House on May 22, 2016 13:06:57 GMT -5
Seniors:
Steven Davis
Mike LaTulip
Juniors:
Mark Alstork
Grant Benzinger
Justin Mitchell
Sophomores:
Mark Hughes
Alan Vest
Parker Ernsthausen
Freshmen:
Everett Winchester
Ryan Custer
Lou Vollbrecht
We have 2 open scholarships
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Post by Raider3G on May 22, 2016 20:22:48 GMT -5
I like the junior class...good mix of skills for guys that are all 6-3 to 6-5. Hughes hopefully will make a big leap from his freshman year to sophomore year. People seem high on Winchester as well (perhaps he can provide the type of quality play we saw from Benzinger, Hughes, and Mitchell as freshman). Assuming that we add nobody else, it seems like this roster hinges on a) S. Davis staying healthy, and b). Ernsthausen and Vollbrecht being able to avoid foul trouble. We don't add another big, and those two things don't happen, and we could see a repeat of 2014-2015.
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Post by gerb on May 23, 2016 9:53:14 GMT -5
Just listing heights for a quick reference. Let's hope those underclassmen can hold down the paint.
Seniors:
Steven Davis 6'8"
Mike LaTulip 6'1"
Juniors:
Mark Alstork 6'5"
Grant Benzinger 6'3"
Justin Mitchell 6'3"
Sophomores:
Mark Hughes 6'4"
Alan Vest 6'3"
Parker Ernsthausen 6'11"
Freshmen:
Everett Winchester 6'6"
Ryan Custer 6'8"
Lou Vollbrecht 6'8"
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Post by ohiopirate on May 23, 2016 14:18:10 GMT -5
This is going to be one of the strangest senior classes in recent memory.
One player that is just joining the program and another that has hardly played and was essentially not on the team last year.
Leadership roles going to be up for grabs as well as playing time in the new system.
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Post by twizman on May 24, 2016 7:59:59 GMT -5
The quality of professional basketball in Denmark must be top notch. A guy that had 3 good games out of an entire college basketball season is now turning pro. What a world.
I suspect Coach Nagy will add another scholarship player to the roster this summer. We shall see.
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Post by gerb on May 24, 2016 11:05:52 GMT -5
The quality of professional basketball in Denmark must be top notch. A guy that had 3 good games out of an entire college basketball season is now turning pro. What a world. I suspect Coach Nagy will add another scholarship player to the roster this summer. We shall see. He was already on the national team when we got him. Donlon just had zero idea how to use him. Take a look at some of his international highlights on YouTube. If he gets on a team with a coach who values offense more than 2% of the time, he'll be fine. Besides, going pro outside the US means something very different than declaring for the NBA. Sent from my XT1254 using proboards |
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Post by Big D on May 25, 2016 14:07:46 GMT -5
You are right. He had zero freaking idea how to utilize an offensive player. It's the whole reason why he couldn't get another head coaching job after getting canned here. The other reason is he was a lousy recruiter. It's the reason why our roster is in such a horrible state. I just hope Nagy can correct our talent deficit within the next 2 recruiting cycles so he can limit how long of a rebuild we will have.
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Post by RaiderNutt on May 25, 2016 16:55:01 GMT -5
I am poitive Coach Nagey will deliver! We have the best facilities in the HL!
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Post by twizman on May 25, 2016 20:48:57 GMT -5
I didn't know we could drop the F-bomb here. This board just keeps getting better.
Let's get a big baseball win at 11 a.m. tomorrow!
Also: I'm not down on our 2016-17 roster. I agree Donlon was an awful recruiter. Who is our best returning player (and our most-talented player)? Mark Alstork. Did Billy offer him out of HS, even with Alstork playing in WSU's backyard? Nope. It took Alstork going to Ball State for a year. Now, Billy did later admit he messed up Alstork's recruitment, but there are many other examples. We're lucky Mark is at WSU and not still at Ball State (or somewhere else).
Benzinger was good recruiting on Billy's part. So was Hughes and Winchester. The rest? Not so much. Donlon was OK, I guess, at recruiting guards. He couldn't recruit bigs to save his life.
Nagy is hired and within a month we land a 6-9, 280-pound center who looks very promising. Would be ranked much higher by the recruiting services if he didn't miss his entire senior season due to injury. And the dude was a really good football player. You know the toughness is there. You know the size is there. I think we're all going to like Lou Vollbrecht a lot.
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Post by Raider Fanatic on May 25, 2016 21:29:39 GMT -5
I didn't know we could drop the F-bomb here. This board just keeps getting better. Let's get a big baseball win at 11 a.m. tomorrow! Also: I'm not down on our 2016-17 roster. I agree Donlon was an awful recruiter. Who is our best returning player (and our most-talented player)? Mark Alstork. Did Billy offer him out of HS, even with Alstork playing in WSU's backyard? Nope. It took Alstork going to Ball State for a year. Now, Billy did later admit he messed up Alstork's recruitment, but there are many other examples. We're lucky Mark is at WSU and not still at Ball State (or somewhere else). Benzinger was good recruiting on Billy's part. So was Hughes and Winchester. The rest? Not so much. Donlon was OK, I guess, at recruiting guards. He couldn't recruit bigs to save his life. Nagy is hired and within a month we land a 6-9, 280-pound center who looks very promising. Would be ranked much higher by the recruiting services if he didn't miss his entire senior season due to injury. And the dude was a really good football player. You know the toughness is there. You know the size is there. I think we're all going to like Lou Vollbrecht a lot. Donlon did offer Alstork when he was in high school. Grant Benzinger had an offer from Miami OH but otherwise was only recruited by low majors. Mark Hughes had offers from Davidson, Loyola, and YSU. Winchester only had offers from low majors. Vollbrecht only had low major offers too. |
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Post by twizman on May 30, 2016 21:36:13 GMT -5
I didn't know we could drop the F-bomb here. This board just keeps getting better. Let's get a big baseball win at 11 a.m. tomorrow! Also: I'm not down on our 2016-17 roster. I agree Donlon was an awful recruiter. Who is our best returning player (and our most-talented player)? Mark Alstork. Did Billy offer him out of HS, even with Alstork playing in WSU's backyard? Nope. It took Alstork going to Ball State for a year. Now, Billy did later admit he messed up Alstork's recruitment, but there are many other examples. We're lucky Mark is at WSU and not still at Ball State (or somewhere else). Benzinger was good recruiting on Billy's part. So was Hughes and Winchester. The rest? Not so much. Donlon was OK, I guess, at recruiting guards. He couldn't recruit bigs to save his life. Nagy is hired and within a month we land a 6-9, 280-pound center who looks very promising. Would be ranked much higher by the recruiting services if he didn't miss his entire senior season due to injury. And the dude was a really good football player. You know the toughness is there. You know the size is there. I think we're all going to like Lou Vollbrecht a lot. Donlon did offer Alstork when he was in high school. Grant Benzinger had an offer from Miami OH but otherwise was only recruited by low majors. Mark Hughes had offers from Davidson, Loyola, and YSU. Winchester only had offers from low majors. Vollbrecht only had low major offers too. Billy himself said he messed up by not offering Alstork. Said he didn't like his attitude during a game he saw in HS. Also, Benzinger, Hughes and Winchester would have have many, many more offers if they didn't sign with WSU in the early-signing period. Hughes and Winchester both had huge senior seasons which would have elicited many more offers. So, your post doesn't tell the whole story. But thanks. |
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Post by Big D on May 31, 2016 8:39:41 GMT -5
Donlon did offer Alstork when he was in high school. Grant Benzinger had an offer from Miami OH but otherwise was only recruited by low majors. Mark Hughes had offers from Davidson, Loyola, and YSU. Winchester only had offers from low majors. Vollbrecht only had low major offers too. Billy himself said he messed up by not offering Alstork. Said he didn't like his attitude during a game he saw in HS. Also, Benzinger, Hughes and Winchester would have have many, many more offers if they didn't sign with WSU in the early-signing period. Hughes and Winchester both had huge senior seasons which would have elicited many more offers. So, your post doesn't tell the whole story. But thanks. Alstork was offered by Wright State the summer before his senior year. It is well documented online when he received the offer. I was told first hand by his high school coach when he received the offer. In regards to Benzinger, Hughes, and Winchester, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but in this day and age there aren't sleeper recruits anymore. Very very few kids "blow up" during their senior season and get a bunch of higher level offers. All 3 of those guys had played AAU ball for years and had played varsity basketball for several years on their teams. They were well known recruits and they were just mid-major recruits. They might have gotten more mid-major offers if they would have signed in the late period but that is all. None of them would have gone higher than where they ended up if they decided to go elsewhere. I started talking about the lack of talent that would be left on our roster last fall after our current senior class graduated. We have 2 guys, Alstork and Benzinger that could play for anyone in the HL. I don't know if we have another player that would even start for any other good HL team. You can tell how good a recruit is by what other schools recruited them. We have several kids with no other D1 offers on our roster. Many only had low major offers. It is what it is at this point. Coach Nagy is going to have to do the best with what he has and keep elevating the roster through recruiting. |
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Post by twizman on May 31, 2016 9:08:06 GMT -5
I remember Billy saying he botched Alstork's recruitment. Maybe he meant he didn't offer early enough? Or didn't push hard enough? I don't know, but I remember being impressed Billy would admit he screwed up. He was basically saying Alstork is an excellent player and that WSU didn't do a good job recruiting him. I took that to mean they didn't offer, but that was obviously an incorrect assumption on my part. You can "offer" a kid, but if you don't recruit him hard, good luck. Thanks for the clarification.
Big D, you don't think Mark Hughes could play anywhere in the HL? I thought he looked good for a freshman last year. He's only going to get better. He was fantastic as a high school senior at Youngstown Ursuline, who always plays a tough schedule. He was first-team All-Ohio. Youngstown State really let one get away there.
And I could be wrong, but the only reason IMO that Vollbrecht is not a more highly-ranked recruit is because his entire senior season was wiped out due to a football injury. And now that he's given football up and is focusing on basketball, he could be the center we've been looking for. (Although, Karena turned himself into a very good offensive player last season -- was never a good rebounder though.)
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Post by paulkris on May 31, 2016 15:53:36 GMT -5
I'm cautiously optimistic about Vollbrecht. The guy had only three seasons of HS basketball. The college game is going to be a lightning bolt compared to what he's played in the past. He's also going to need to show that he can use his strength and width without fouling. Not something that all big men can do. I'd be really happy if he comes to us in good condition and ready to work. I keep remembering how V was when he got here and how he was very raw but worked his butt off and progressed very quickly.
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