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Post by wsuairstrike on Nov 21, 2018 19:50:29 GMT -5
Classic.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Nov 21, 2018 19:50:32 GMT -5
Our defense the last minutes was a god damn joke All night it was a joke. So many points scored on step backs and short range bunnies. |
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Post by CincyDrummer on Nov 21, 2018 19:50:38 GMT -5
That one hurts. The guys played hard, you can't argue that.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Nov 21, 2018 19:51:02 GMT -5
Raiders 0-3 away from the Nutter Center, FWIW.
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Post by CincyDrummer on Nov 21, 2018 19:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by keithfromxenia on Nov 21, 2018 20:28:33 GMT -5
It’s only a classic if you win!
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Post by wsuraider09 on Nov 21, 2018 20:37:49 GMT -5
Our bigs left 4 points at the line tonight, difference in the game. WSU 4-8, SMU 7-8.
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Post by bleedgreenngold on Nov 21, 2018 21:21:36 GMT -5
Lets be honest why our guys can't compete with the more prominent basketball schools- every coaching staff we have had that I can remember doesn't recruit anything close to the same level of talent. You can say that we don't because no kid will want to come to a commuter school in the Horizon League when they have offers from better, bigger schools. But WSU doesn't even attempt to use recruiting resources to target anybody above a 2-star prospect. I will use a list of the only other D-1 schools that showed interest in players from Wright States most recent recruiting class as an example (Potter, Smith, Basile, James Manns).
Missouri State, Montana State, University of Denver, Lipscomb, Miami OH, Radford, High Point, Stony Brook, Ohio, Kent State, Akron.
The fact that WSU is plucking talent from the same pool as the likes of these programs shows that the Raiders are not as committed to becoming that elite mid-major you all are hoping for. Sure, Wright State does get the share of transfer who at some point were a power-5 commodity (Julius Mays, James Young, Mark Alstork, Billy Wampler, etc.) but all mid-major get those one-two year stop-gaps on their rosters. Until WSU can start recruiting better prospects that want to make an impact in the program they will never compete with power-5 schools.
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Post by Big D on Nov 22, 2018 0:54:42 GMT -5
The fact that WSU is plucking talent from the same pool as the likes of these programs shows that the Raiders are not as committed to becoming that elite mid-major you all are hoping for. Sure, Wright State does get the share of transfer who at some point were a power-5 commodity (Julius Mays, James Young, Mark Alstork, Billy Wampler, etc.) but all mid-major get those one-two year stop-gaps on their rosters. Until WSU can start recruiting better prospects that want to make an impact in the program they will never compete with power-5 schools. I'm going to disagree with you. Recruiting kids that fit your system matters much more than the number of stars some BS recruiting site puts behind their name. I'll use 2 quick examples to prove it. 1. Have you ever heard of Butler? Butler didn't go to back to back national championship games overnight. They built their success over decades by developing their system and running it to damn near perfection and they did it with TWO STAR RECRUITS for the most part. That continued success lead them to be able to recruit 3 and 4 star recruits and move up in the basketball world. If you followed them early on you know that they made their name playing power 5 schools on the road and in exempt tournaments and were able to eventually start beating them by playing superior team basketball with those 2 star recruits. And if you go back and look at their early years of success, they did lose a lot more of those games than they won. 2. You should also look at Scott Nagy's resume. He already knocked off a power 5 school at Wright State last year that you seem to have already forgot about. While at South Dakota State with his 2 star recruits he beat Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, Iowa State, and New Mexico in the last several years he was there. The difference between his SDSU teams and our team this year is depth and experience. Coach Nagy likes to find guys that fit his system. He likes to red shirt them and develop them. That allows him to play guys who are experienced in his system and physically ready to play D1 basketball. He did not inherit much of a roster when he came to Wright State and quite honestly he has completely blown away all expectations I had for him in his first 2 years. If you didn't know this, he won more games the last 2 years than any other 2 years in WSU history and he was rebuilding our roster in the process. I accepted when we hired him that he was going to have to rebuild our roster into the type of team he wants. Honestly we are another year or 2 away from having the type of depth and experience he had at SDSU when he left. Take a legit look at our roster from an experience perspective. Seniors: Hughes: has played 99 games averaging 24 minutes in his career. Parker: has played in 103 games averaging 17 minutes. Vest: has played 80 games and averaged 6 minutes Juniors: Gentry: has played in 40 games total, only 30 with WSU and averaged 27 minutes Wampler: has played in 66 games total, only 6 with WSU and averaged 17 minutes Sophomores: Love: has played in 41 games and averaged 27 minutes. Everyone else is a walk on or freshman that only has a handful of games under their belt. That is not the kind of experienced deep mid major team that you need to have to be able to beat power 5 schools. Having Hall and Winchester would have made a big difference. We don't have them so it's next man up and we live with the growing pains of playing freshmen again. |
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Post by raiderrunt on Nov 22, 2018 3:29:40 GMT -5
The fact that WSU is plucking talent from the same pool as the likes of these programs shows that the Raiders are not as committed to becoming that elite mid-major you all are hoping for. Sure, Wright State does get the share of transfer who at some point were a power-5 commodity (Julius Mays, James Young, Mark Alstork, Billy Wampler, etc.) but all mid-major get those one-two year stop-gaps on their rosters. Until WSU can start recruiting better prospects that want to make an impact in the program they will never compete with power-5 schools. I'm going to disagree with you. Recruiting kids that fit your system matters much more than the number of stars some BS recruiting site puts behind their name. I'll use 2 quick examples to prove it. 1. Have you ever heard of Butler? Butler didn't go to back to back national championship games overnight. They built their success over decades by developing their system and running it to damn near perfection and they did it with TWO STAR RECRUITS for the most part. That continued success lead them to be able to recruit 3 and 4 star recruits and move up in the basketball world. If you followed them early on you know that they made their name playing power 5 schools on the road and in exempt tournaments and were able to eventually start beating them by playing superior team basketball with those 2 star recruits. And if you go back and look at their early years of success, they did lose a lot more of those games than they won. 2. You should also look at Scott Nagy's resume. He already knocked off a power 5 school at Wright State last year that you seem to have already forgot about. While at South Dakota State with his 2 star recruits he beat Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, Iowa State, and New Mexico in the last several years he was there. The difference between his SDSU teams and our team this year is depth and experience. Coach Nagy likes to find guys that fit his system. He likes to red shirt them and develop them. That allows him to play guys who are experienced in his system and physically ready to play D1 basketball. He did not inherit much of a roster when he came to Wright State and quite honestly he has completely blown away all expectations I had for him in his first 2 years. If you didn't know this, he won more games the last 2 years than any other 2 years in WSU history and he was rebuilding our roster in the process. I accepted when we hired him that he was going to have to rebuild our roster into the type of team he wants. Honestly we are another year or 2 away from having the type of depth and experience he had at SDSU when he left. Take a legit look at our roster from an experience perspective. Seniors: Hughes: has played 99 games averaging 24 minutes in his career. Parker: has played in 103 games averaging 17 minutes. Vest: has played 80 games and averaged 6 minutes Juniors: Gentry: has played in 40 games total, only 30 with WSU and averaged 27 minutes Wampler: has played in 66 games total, only 6 with WSU and averaged 17 minutes Sophomores: Love: has played in 41 games and averaged 27 minutes. Everyone else is a walk on or freshman that only has a handful of games under their belt. That is not the kind of experienced deep mid major team that you need to have to be able to beat power 5 schools. Having Hall and Winchester would have made a big difference. We don't have them so it's next man up and we live with the growing pains of playing freshmen again. Big D.....thanks for putting this program and this season in to perspective. |
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Post by wsuwillie on Nov 23, 2018 10:05:45 GMT -5
The fact that WSU is plucking talent from the same pool as the likes of these programs shows that the Raiders are not as committed to becoming that elite mid-major you all are hoping for. Sure, Wright State does get the share of transfer who at some point were a power-5 commodity (Julius Mays, James Young, Mark Alstork, Billy Wampler, etc.) but all mid-major get those one-two year stop-gaps on their rosters. Until WSU can start recruiting better prospects that want to make an impact in the program they will never compete with power-5 schools. I'm going to disagree with you. Recruiting kids that fit your system matters much more than the number of stars some BS recruiting site puts behind their name. I'll use 2 quick examples to prove it. 1. Have you ever heard of Butler? Butler didn't go to back to back national championship games overnight. They built their success over decades by developing their system and running it to damn near perfection and they did it with TWO STAR RECRUITS for the most part. That continued success lead them to be able to recruit 3 and 4 star recruits and move up in the basketball world. If you followed them early on you know that they made their name playing power 5 schools on the road and in exempt tournaments and were able to eventually start beating them by playing superior team basketball with those 2 star recruits. And if you go back and look at their early years of success, they did lose a lot more of those games than they won. 2. You should also look at Scott Nagy's resume. He already knocked off a power 5 school at Wright State last year that you seem to have already forgot about. While at South Dakota State with his 2 star recruits he beat Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, Iowa State, and New Mexico in the last several years he was there. The difference between his SDSU teams and our team this year is depth and experience. Coach Nagy likes to find guys that fit his system. He likes to red shirt them and develop them. That allows him to play guys who are experienced in his system and physically ready to play D1 basketball. He did not inherit much of a roster when he came to Wright State and quite honestly he has completely blown away all expectations I had for him in his first 2 years. If you didn't know this, he won more games the last 2 years than any other 2 years in WSU history and he was rebuilding our roster in the process. I accepted when we hired him that he was going to have to rebuild our roster into the type of team he wants. Honestly we are another year or 2 away from having the type of depth and experience he had at SDSU when he left. Take a legit look at our roster from an experience perspective. Seniors: Hughes: has played 99 games averaging 24 minutes in his career. Parker: has played in 103 games averaging 17 minutes. Vest: has played 80 games and averaged 6 minutes Juniors: Gentry: has played in 40 games total, only 30 with WSU and averaged 27 minutes Wampler: has played in 66 games total, only 6 with WSU and averaged 17 minutes Sophomores: Love: has played in 41 games and averaged 27 minutes. Everyone else is a walk on or freshman that only has a handful of games under their belt. That is not the kind of experienced deep mid major team that you need to have to be able to beat power 5 schools. Having Hall and Winchester would have made a big difference. We don't have them so it's next man up and we live with the growing pains of playing freshmen again. I want to print out that post and have my friends read it when they ask me how WSU will look this year. That is sooooo spot on it's ridiculous. The good mid-majors don't get there overnight...or even after just a couple good years with a terrific coach. I expect we will be very tough again at mid-season. Excellent post! |
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