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Post by Willie on Feb 5, 2019 18:40:58 GMT -5
What happened to Klinger? It says member withdrawn under his profile.
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Post by Big D on Feb 5, 2019 18:52:00 GMT -5
What happened to Klinger? It says member withdrawn under his profile. Klinger left the board on his own. He wasn't booted or asked to leave. I guess he doesn't like it that no one is backing the union in this discussion.
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Post by Raider Alumni on Feb 6, 2019 5:36:28 GMT -5
Why don't we just let all the good prof's walk? We can be a glorified community college. Good old Ohio boys will take over. As long as nobody is concerned with getting a decent education, we'll be fine! You are assuming that our good professors are part of the union. 2/3 are not in the union and have been working all along.
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Post by Raider Alumni on Feb 6, 2019 5:48:05 GMT -5
I want to thank Klinger for understanding the desire for legitimate health coverage. Most highly educated people understand this. The salary and healthcare benefits we are offering is comparable to the majority of colleges in Ohio. It is actually still better than most state colleges in Ohio. Any highly educated person that actual takes the time to look up those facts should understand this. I think Klinger is butthurt because he might have one of those Cadillac healthcare plans WSU is trying to getting rid of. Klinger’s full name is listed on Raiderroundball since he writes articles over there. If you look his name up in the staff directory there is a female professor listed with the same last name. To put it mildly, I think his opinion on this is going to be more biased than the rest of us.
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Post by wsutommygun on Feb 6, 2019 7:05:40 GMT -5
Klinger has been tough on both sides in this dispute but, he knows there are 2 sides to this ( and, can't speak for Klinger but, would like to see more balance ).
In order for Schrader to devote the appropriate time to the students in the classes she teaches, perhaps the trustees can find a temporary replacement for the president's day-to-day duties.
Can't say which benefits I'd be willing to give up and, I'm not going to tell someone else how lucky they are to have anything.
Hope this gets figured out sooner rather than later. I'm not sure enough time is devoted to this because it doesn't seem to be that dire yet. Lock them in a room and don't let them out.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Feb 6, 2019 7:25:12 GMT -5
Phelps, could you explain to me the differences between the two plans that make one legitimate and the other illegitimate.
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Post by wsutommygun on Feb 6, 2019 7:36:21 GMT -5
Can't or won't speak for Phelps but, I used to be on a benefits committee and I'd say "legitimate" isn't the word I would use. As good or fair as it may be to have everyone on the same plan, you are still asking them to accept what they perceive as a lesser plan while paying more. We used to increase the percentage of the employee contribution from time to time but, luckily it was offset with raises ( and, in our case, everyone always had the same plan ).
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Post by Dr J on Feb 6, 2019 12:23:51 GMT -5
These costs and loss of benefits are not because of the university. The reason is because of ACA(Obamacare). It is a bad law and passed with a lack of knowledge about how that system works. First treating everyone the same. Men and women post menopause or hysterectomy pay for OB care. There are other issues also. If they understood premium calculations that wouldn’t or shouldn’t have occurred. This allowed the industry to raise premiums. Since was mandatory they raised deductibles. The irony is the unions pushed for this and now it is affecting them in a negative way.
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Post by raiderrunt on Feb 6, 2019 12:35:53 GMT -5
Each of us is bringing in our own experiences to this discussion. If I remember correctly, Klinger's wife is on staff at WSU and Tommygun is a bean counter AKA accountant and Dr. J is a doctor. I am just an over-taxed taxpayer and all-round tightwad that enjoys sports to escape from the real world. I enjoy reading the younger posters' take on things too. Everyone of us is concerned about this situation because it hurts Raider sports and a whole lot of other things. I share the frustration of many posters in that we cannot do much to help the situation.
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Post by mre on Feb 6, 2019 12:44:15 GMT -5
Each of us is bringing in our own experiences to this discussion. If I remember correctly, Klinger's wife is on staff at WSU and Tommygun is a bean counter AKA accountant and Dr. J is a doctor. I am just an over-taxed taxpayer and all-round tightwad that enjoys sports to escape from the real world. I enjoy reading the younger posters' take on things too. Everyone of us is concerned about this situation because it hurts Raider sports and a whole lot of other things. I share the frustration of many posters in that we cannot do much to help the situation. Well, as a younger poster, let me just tell you that if I had a dollar for every time someone asks me how I’m affected by the strike as a student I’d have enough money to fund all of the union’s selfish requests. And it is humiliating to talk about and completely devalues my professional worth in my career field to those who don’t directly work with me. I hope part-time faculty earn themselves full-time positions. I have had numerous part-time faculty, some of whom work at AFIT as well. The ONLY instructor I have ever had that I did not think was effective was a full-time tenured faculty member. He was worthless. Complacent and disinterested in teaching students, only caring about his personal research. No one can say anything to convince me this is a selfless strike. They don’t care about us. They threw our dreams and futures to the dirt. They said “your graduation can wait until I get all I’m asking for”. Alright, I’m done ranting for now.
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Post by wsutommygun on Feb 6, 2019 13:31:17 GMT -5
When Obamacare came into being, my plan was discontinued and what they considered comparable meant a potential of an extra $2,000 out-of-pocket. Some years I reached the limit under the old plan as it was.
Don't know how the union managed to keep a plan they liked but, seems it happened.
I remember watching an old tv series called McMillen & Wife ( about a police commish ). Anyway, they complained about not having any more money than when they were first married. They managed to laugh because they felt some comfort knowing at least their standard of living was much better.
Not knowing the details, it might not be the paycheck adjustment but the hardship of maybe paying more out of their own pockets. If the plan is no longer available no matter how much someone is willing to pay then that should have been hammered out by now.
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Post by mrose on Feb 6, 2019 14:17:30 GMT -5
Not knowing the details, it might not be the paycheck adjustment but the hardship of maybe paying more out of their own pockets. If the plan is no longer available no matter how much someone is willing to pay then that should have been hammered out by now. The plans (Cadillac) are still available. The theory, under the ACA, is they would go away as there was supposed to be a Cadillac Tax of 40% on those plans. That 40% tax was to go into effect in 2018. In 2016 Obama signed a two-year extension allowing the plans not to be taxed at the 40% rate until 2020. Last year Trump signed another two-year extension pushing the effective tax year back to 2022. The way the ACA is written it is the employer that has to pay the 40% tax. The theory is/was the employer will no longer offer such plans as a 40% tax is too much of a penalizing cost. So, if the tax goes into effect that's another cost the WSU administration has to take into account along with the original costs of the plans.
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Post by wsutommygun on Feb 6, 2019 14:33:05 GMT -5
if you let that sink in, that is quite a teachable moment for what your health is worth to Washington. Doesn't exactly put employers in a good position to take care of their most important asset.
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Post by raidergrad98 on Feb 6, 2019 15:08:54 GMT -5
Since when do most employers place valuing their employees over bottom lines? Few and farther between as time passes. Most folks that I know have had to transition to high deductible plans or some other less comprehensive insurance as compared to years or decades back, and many of them years ago. I’ve personally been on one for going on 10 years now (and salary wasn’t increased to make up the difference). I get why the union is upset, however they’re finally being asked to join the rest of us who made the transition long ago. I’m not saying it’s better, but when you’re cutting costs; asking everyone to adhere to the same measures seems very reasonable to me. They’re free to take another job elsewhere. That’s what the rest of us do if we don’t like some aspect or benefit of the job.
My $.02.
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Post by mrose on Feb 6, 2019 16:24:45 GMT -5
Give it time, phelps, give it time. The way it (ACA) is written we'll all have Cadillac plans in a few years. Last year the monetary value threshold was $10,200 (Employer & Employee paid) per individual and $27,500 for family coverage. The problem with the $ threshold in identifying Cadillac plans is the ACA indexes the price to the CPI. In 2018 the CPI (unadjusted) was up 1.9%. Health insurance premiums have always increased more than the CPI and still are. Historically at a significantly higher rate. Heck, my out-of-pocket premiums are up 50% from 2017. There's still some distance from my current value and the $ threshold, but at this rate (premium increases) and CPI growth I'll have a Cadillac plan in several years...
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