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Post by CincyDrummer on Feb 16, 2014 2:57:14 GMT -5
I guess our win/loss record and attendance prove you right. I guess if you disagree, you can say it is "Stupid". I feel this is a forum for people to have their say and opinions. Maybe that is not correct. Even if I don't agree with someone, I say I don't agree not use words like "stupid". +1
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Post by Nutt House on Feb 16, 2014 8:54:58 GMT -5
I agree with Jimbo, if you want to do a poll then you should leave out the editorial comments that you use to explain where you're coming from on the question. I didn't bother to participate. Nutt House, let's not rewrite history. In the 1980's we played Central State several times at the UD Arena. I think we drew about 5,500 ( maybe with the help of the San Diego Chicken...google or youtube it for anyone too young ), I thought 5,000 would be okay for any new center at WSU. Glad people had confidence in something bigger and allowed for further expansion if needed. We drew 8,500 average the first year, I'd say a lot of that had to do with the novelty of having a new building. The numbers went down in the second year even though we had a decent season.. Complain about the current state if you like but, I'm not blaming the coach or the team I don't really understand what the hell your post has to do with mine. When did I mention anything about the 1980s. Everything I said in my post was true. We averaged over 8000 fans when the Nutter Center opened. We averaged over 7000 fans 4 out of our first 6 years at the Nutter Center. We were also giving away 2/3 of the tickets back then. I know. I have worked for Wright State at the Nutter Center since the early 1990s. Back in the day it was part of my job to go to local businesses and give away tickets to games. We did that in the hopes that it would bring in return customers. In the late 1990s, we stopped giving away tickets except the ones paid for by the Alumni Association for the one game they sponsored a year. At that point in time until the last decade we gave away a lot of 2 for 1 tickets and other discounts. In the last decade we went away from the giveaways and focused on paying customers and have slowly raised ticket prices. 1990/91: 8503 Nutter Center opened 1991/92: 7172 1992/93: 7150 1993/94: 6575 1994/95: 7322 Ralph Underhill's final season 1995/96: 6807 Jim Brown hired 1996/97: 5429 Ed Schilling hired 1997/98: 5363 1998/99: 5378 1999/00: 5308 2000/01: 4731 2001/02: 4746 2002/03: 4361 Paul Biancardi hired 2003/04: 5302 2004/05: 4791 2005/06: 5045 2006/07: 5864 Brad Brownell hired 2007/08: 4903 2008/09: 5381 2009/10: 5277 Billy Donlon hired 2010/11: 4792 2011/12: 3903 2012/13: 3786 2013/14: 3766 (year to date stats) www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-mens-basketball-attendance
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Post by papaz on Feb 16, 2014 10:06:46 GMT -5
Everyone has an opinion. We shall see if some people that post here are in a minority. When I say fit Raider Basketball. I mean how we should be looked upon by the basketball community as a whole. When we are being seen on ESPN do we want the world to see us as a school of defense and low possession count that never let's an opponent score 50 points whether we win or lose? Or do we want to be a team that scores 75+ per game that has a lot of action up and down the court playing a pressing defense full court with winning or losing? Since the question doesn't consider winning and losing I don't think that scoring a few more points a game would have much impact on our image by the basketball community. We average 67 a game now. I am not sure that 3 or 4 more made baskets would have an appreciable effect on attendance if we end up with the same record. On Saturday the team with the 338th scoring offense in the nation (Clemson) played the team with the 292nd offense (Virginia). Nearly 9,000 fans attended. Ohio State scored less than 50 last night and won. I think they will do OK at the gate the next game. We play a terrible OOC schedule that probably hurts attendance more than tempo.
I want to see a team that plays good fundamental basketball and wins consistently.
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Post by wsutommygun on Feb 16, 2014 10:21:07 GMT -5
Nutt House, sorry. It wasn't meant as a problem with your post but, more of a reinforcement to posters that think the numbers at the beginning reflect something that it isn't. I was happy that people came out to the Nutter Center and, it did give us the chance to win them over to Raider hoops. Not sure about the timing of your coaches but, good post and follow up. No doubt things could be better in the attendance area.
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Post by hhgreen on Feb 16, 2014 10:28:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Nutt House.
Underhill Avg 7344 Got a nice new place to play in. NCAA Round 1 lost to Indiana Brown Avg 6807 Who knows why just 1 year. Schilling Avg 5159 The Dark Ages. Biancardi Avg 4875 Took over after The Dark Ages. Cupboards were bare. Baggage forced him out while WSU was recovering nicely. Brownell Avg 5382 Took over Biancardi recruited team. NCAA Round 1 lost to Pittsburgh Donlon Avg 4304 Took over Brownell recruited team. CBI Tourney won a few rounds.
So ending the give away tickets has driven down the attendance pretty bad. Since we have had a crappy economy for several years or more it has hurt attendance as well I would think.
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Post by wsutommygun on Feb 16, 2014 10:53:29 GMT -5
On the surface it might appear that the numbers represent a crisis. If the university was driving away diehard fans by those numbers then that might mean something different. If the school turned off season ticket holders then, what was it? Coach, team success, athletic department, or, maybe a particular function or employee? I don't know the annual breakdown of season ticket holders but, the poll does represent a reason to think about things and how we could do better with the program. OOC teams? or, just the time of the game or the day of the week. I like high school basketball but, it doesn't compare to the atmosphere of college hoops. Might be a lot of teams that have better atmosphere, I can promise there are a lot of mid-majors that have worse ( doesn't make it right though ).
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Post by wsu97 on Feb 16, 2014 11:41:36 GMT -5
Not sure about the timing of your coaches but, good post and follow up. Looks right to me. John Ross 1970-1974 Marcus Jackson 1975-1977 Ralph Underhill 1978-1995 Jim Brown 1996 Ed Schilling 1997-2002 Paul Biancardi 2003-2005 Brad Brownell 2006-2009 Billy Donlon 2010-Present
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 16, 2014 11:45:10 GMT -5
I agree with others, the poll is kind of pointless. However, when you add insult to injury it's even worse. Playing slow and boring AND losing is a double whammy. I would much rather see us lose while at least be exciting to watch. We play like were in molasses for 40 minutes and lose. We would see a rise in attendance, an increase in student attendance, and at least there would be some buzz to come see a game or two. I've said this earlier, there is better high school basketball around Dayton than what we are currently putting on the floor. End of story. Obviously Grant's goal is to win, but putting butts in the seats has to be up there...and more butts in the seats means more wins at home. We only loss a few games total under Brownell, and you can see the attendance in decline...nobody wants to watch a boring team lose.
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Post by raiders41 on Feb 16, 2014 13:17:28 GMT -5
For the people who want an uptempo game and more points, so far this season we are 3-9 when both teams score 60 or more points
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Post by Tipp City Raider on Feb 16, 2014 13:33:16 GMT -5
For the people who want an uptempo game and more points, so far this season we are 3-9 when both teams score 60 or more points I don't think anyone considers scoring over 60 as uptempo. Scoring in the 60s is pretty average for D1 basketball.
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Post by raiders41 on Feb 16, 2014 14:03:02 GMT -5
For the people who want an uptempo game and more points, so far this season we are 3-9 when both teams score 60 or more points I don't think anyone considers scoring over 60 as uptempo. Scoring in the 60s is pretty average for D1 basketball. I never said that it was uptempo. What I was getting at with my post is that the current game style that we play, "Billy Ball" if you like is what is best for this team. Low scoring and slow games may not be sexy to fans but it's what works best for this team
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Post by Ukraine Train on Feb 16, 2014 14:06:17 GMT -5
I don't think anyone considers scoring over 60 as uptempo. Scoring in the 60s is pretty average for D1 basketball. I never said that it was uptempo. What I was getting at with my post is that the current game style that we play, "Billy Ball" if you like is what is best for this team. Low scoring and slow games may not be sexy to fans but it's what works best for this team Considering that we are hovering around .500, I don't think you have a good argument that this is the best offense for this team.
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Post by hhgreen on Feb 16, 2014 18:14:05 GMT -5
Considering that we are hovering around .500, I don't think you have a good argument that this is the best offense for this team.
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Post by raiders41 on Feb 16, 2014 20:15:40 GMT -5
I never said that it was uptempo. What I was getting at with my post is that the current game style that we play, "Billy Ball" if you like is what is best for this team. Low scoring and slow games may not be sexy to fans but it's what works best for this team Considering that we are hovering around .500, I don't think you have a good argument that this is the best offense for this team. You are looking at our overall record, I broke down our season based on how we played each game. We are now 4-9 when both teams score 60 points or more, but when we hold the opposing teams to under 60 points we are 10-2. Last year we were 4-5 when both teams were over 60 points and 17-3 when holding opposing teams under 60. When we play the style that Donlon wants to we win, when we start playing the opposing teams style we have a tendency to lose. The style is fine, execution this year is not. Last year the execution was there and we had one of the most successful seasons in our history since moving to DI
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Post by Ukraine Train on Feb 16, 2014 20:23:28 GMT -5
You are looking at our overall record, I broke down our season based on how we played each game. We are now 4-9 when both teams score 60 points or more, but when we hold the opposing teams to under 60 points we are 10-2. Last year we were 4-5 when both teams were over 60 points and 17-3 when holding opposing teams under 60. When we play the style that Donlon wants to we win, when we start playing the opposing teams style we have a tendency to lose. The style is fine, execution this year is not. Last year the execution was there and we had one of the most successful seasons in our history since moving to DI First, you are still not making a good argument because we have not tried to play a true uptempo style of game all year so you do not know how we would do if we were trying to score 80 points a game because it hasn't happened. What has happened is we have played Billy ball and are currently right around .500. Second, last year was one of the most successful win/loss season we have ever had in large part because we played one of the shittiest schedules we have ever put together. The fact that this season's schedule is somehow shittier and we haven't been successful is mindboggling.
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