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Post by gerb on Mar 31, 2015 19:00:27 GMT -5
we have now had three leave in the past month or so. too much trouble to run the numbers for the past 4-5 years but our player departure rate seems almost schillingesque. Could be worse. Youngstown is losing Marcus Keene (leading scorer at 15.9ppg), Osandai Vaughn (6.7), Shaun Stewart (4.8), and Jalon Plummer (4.08) to transferring. Add this to the graduation of Shawn Amiker (11.6), DJ Cole (9.2) and Fletcher Larson (2.2) YSU returns only FIVE players from last year's 11-21 team and lose 76% of their scoring.
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Post by raidergrad98 on Mar 31, 2015 21:35:28 GMT -5
we have now had three leave in the past month or so. too much trouble to run the numbers for the past 4-5 years but our player departure rate seems almost schillingesque. That's modern college basketball.
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Post by Dr J on Mar 31, 2015 21:58:48 GMT -5
The only one that I don't like is Grant Evans. In my opinion part of his problems is in how BD reacts to a mistake. Many players today are not receptive to his reactions and demeanor. He also thought with Alstork coming in his PT won't increase. Howell leaving will bring an opportunity for Hughes to possibly get PT next year. It also might give BD the opportunity to use Joe at PG and increase the point production with a PG that will drive dish off and stop for a mid range jumper. We now can use a scholarship for Alan and two JCs or one for Campbell. I still think him paying his own way for one year would benefit him in the long run. If we can't get a good JC big then red shirt him. I would rather have a new JC point guard than another freshman PG.
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Post by ohiopirate on Apr 1, 2015 17:08:46 GMT -5
Bradley losing 6 transfers; Southern Illinois 5 transfers. Cetainly is not unique to Wright State.
Best of luck to Grant and Mark. I hope they find much success at their next stop and continue getting a great education.
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Post by Raider3G on Apr 3, 2015 19:01:28 GMT -5
As of now, CSU, Oakland, and UIC each have one transfer, YSU has 4. UDM, Valpo, and the the Wisconsin schools have none tranferring yet.
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Post by hhgreen on Apr 3, 2015 21:48:23 GMT -5
They did not lose a player with tremendous upside like Evans though.
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Post by Big D on Apr 3, 2015 23:10:37 GMT -5
They did not lose a player with tremendous upside like Evans though. The bigger loss to me was the investment we made in Evans. I understand when a recruit like Howell doesn't work out. We signed him in the late signing period of his senior year. From the time Donlon first contacted him to the time he committed to Wright State was probably between 4-6 weeks. We had a scholarship open up late and we took a chance on a kid we saw some upside in that we didn't have a lot of time to vet. It didn't work out and both parties are moving on. Evan is in a whole other realm of recruiting failure. We are losing a kid with a huge upside that should fit perfectly in Donlon's system. The reason it is such a cluster though is the fact that we started recruiting the kid before he entered high school. We offered him a scholarship after seeing him in an open gym 5 years ago and recruited him his entire high school career. I cannot comprehend how you develop a relationship with a kid over a 4 year period through high school and run him off before he finishes his first year in college. We wasted 4 years worth of relationship building with him and 4 years worth of our recruiting budget on him that could have been spent recruiting other kids. Losing Evans is an epic failure by Donlon and his staff. WSU has a few open scholarships for next year now. Donlon needs to land some solid recruits this spring if he wants to win back Wright State's fan base.
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Post by kinvara on Apr 4, 2015 1:17:37 GMT -5
I don't get it. You invest all this time and money in Evans and never gave him a chance to develop this year. He only played 242 minutes this year (11 more minutes than Howell). I just wish Donlon would give the first year players more playing time in November and December to get them used to college ball, gain confidence and get ready for conference play. Donlon owes Raider fans an explanation for this situation.
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Post by Big D on Apr 4, 2015 6:53:53 GMT -5
I don't get it. You invest all this time and money in Evans and never gave him a chance to develop this year. He only played 242 minutes this year (11 more minutes than Howell). I just wish Donlon would give the first year players more playing time in November and December to get them used to college ball, gain confidence and get ready for conference play. Donlon owes Raider fans an explanation for this situation. He gave an explanation every week of the season for decisions he made. It's called the coaches show and it was on every Monday on the radio and online. You could have even asked him a question if you would have attended one or emailed in a question.
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Post by wsutommygun on Apr 4, 2015 8:19:26 GMT -5
If I was in the first year of a 10-year $25 million contract I might be willing to do some crazy things like playing someone just because I didn't want to hurt their feelings. As soon as fans start to remind you of your record after every game then I might be tempted to let such thoughts leave my head.
I agree with Big D that Billy would answer your question on or off the air. It's possible that if you attended practices that you wouldn't ask. I'm frustrated that Evans made the decision to leave, I still have confidence in him. I'd rather have a healthy Mitchell, Benzinger or Thomasson ahead of him though. Who knows what I'd be thinking by November. He knew what was going to be his competition and I prefer a player that makes sure they fit into the rotation. I thank Grant Evans for giving it a try with the Raiders and wish him luck in the future.
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Post by Raider3G on Apr 4, 2015 9:15:40 GMT -5
Big D, do you know he was run-off, or did Evans come to the realization that Mitchell, Benzinger, Alstork, and Thomasson all are probably better than he is and minutes could be further squeezed two freshman coming in that are 6-3 and seem like capable athletes (on top of the likely JUCO recruits)?
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Post by Big D on Apr 4, 2015 11:34:30 GMT -5
Big D, do you know he was run-off, or did Evans come to the realization that Mitchell, Benzinger, Alstork, and Thomasson all are probably better than he is and minutes could be further squeezed two freshman coming in that are 6-3 and seem like capable athletes (on top of the likely JUCO recruits)? That was a poor choice of wording on my part. We didn't ask him to leave. What I was trying to say is that we didn't figure out a way to incorporate him into this team that he wanted to stay even after watching him for 4 years in high school. My biggest concern about Donlon since he has been here is his inability to adapt his coaching style (and I am not talking about his defense first philosophy). Donlon is an in your face type coach and I think anyone that has ever sat anywhere near our bench knows he screams all game long at his players. Some kids respond great to that. They like the discipline. Other kids need more of a mentor/father figure as a coach. As a coach you need to know how each of your players needs to be coached up otherwise you are going to have 2-4 transfers every year. The other part of Donlon's coaching style I do not like is his short leash for freshmen and super long leash for upperclassmen. I think any new player in our system learns really fast that Donlon is going to pull you out of a game almost immediately after you make a mistake to talk to you about it. The problem with that is he usually sits them the rest of that half or even more for the guys toward the end of the bench. I hate that coaching style. Kids learn to play to "not screw up" so that they won't get pulled out of the game instead of playing to make plays. It leads to the mentality we have at the end of a game when we have a big lead and we go into prevent mode and run down the clock. Instead of playing to win the game we start playing to not lose the game. The other part of his short leash for freshmen/long leash for upperclassmen that bothers me is that it makes no sense. Reggie never developed into a good PG in his 4 years at WSU. He was horrible at time management and shot selection. That never improved. Why was he allowed to make the same stupid decisions over and over again without getting benched just because he was an upperclassman when a freshman would have been pulled for any one of those stupid decisions? Coaches need to hold all players to the same standards. If you are going to have a shot leash for players making mistakes, you need to be that way for your entire team. Personally I wish he would allow all of his players to play through some of their mistakes and talk to them about it during timeouts and the next day when you watch tape of the game and use those mistakes as coaching moments for the whole team.
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Post by hhgreen on Apr 4, 2015 21:21:50 GMT -5
Big D that is one of your best writing ever which you point out one of the biggest issues with the coach. I will also say that the players execution of time management on the floor when the game is on the line is very poor. If the players are doing what he wants them to do at the end of some of our games I think the coach better go back to the drawing board.
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Post by paulkris on Apr 5, 2015 16:45:40 GMT -5
One more thing for you to consider. You're talking here about 19-22 year old young guys. There are many things that happen in their lives that have nothing to do with basketball. Sometimes decisions are made based on things unrelated to basketball. Girl friends who are at other schools, pressure from old high school friends and plain old homesickness. Sure, kids get 'run off' or don't feel appreciated and leave but there are many other things that lead to players leaving.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Apr 6, 2015 17:49:06 GMT -5
just a couple of thoughts. first, i feel badly for those teams losing all those players......well not really because I do not care if they are successful. i do care if we are and i know that for a mid major to become a quality mid major two of the things that are required are bringing in quality recruits and coaching them up for four years. if you are constantly losing a significant portion of your recruits after 1-2 years and replacing them with new freshmen it makes the job much tougher. I think big d brings up an interesting and puzzling point. how did a relationship 4-5 years in the making crash and burn in one season. or put another way how did bd spend five years watching ge and think he was the player for us and in one season find he had seriously misjudged him.
I do think, big d , you were a trifle hard hard on Reggie a. I posted a summary of our season four years ago. I thought he had a decent freshman year though he had about twice as many turnovers as assists. at the time I thought Reggie would benefit from a more experienced point guard to mentor him. We never got that and i think that hurt reggie' s development. if bd was our assistant coach he would have been the mentor but as head coach he does not have that opportunity. however, reggie had more assists than turnovers his last three years and this season he had about two assists for every turnover. that is pretty good.
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