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Post by hhgreen on Feb 16, 2016 17:44:57 GMT -5
Alstork, Mitchell and Hughes are going to shine next year. Grant is a deadly spot shooter. Over the summer he needs to really practice ball handling and get a little faster. We just don't have forward or a center.
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Post by Raider Fanatic on Feb 16, 2016 19:41:33 GMT -5
Mitchell and Hughes are roll players.
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Post by Raider3G on Feb 16, 2016 20:58:25 GMT -5
Mitchell and Hughes are roll players. Mitchell....probably. Hughes...dunno. He's wicked athletic and plays with a lot of confidence and maturity. I see him as a 10 pts/gm scorer next year.
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Post by Raider3G on Feb 16, 2016 21:01:51 GMT -5
I'm torn on the CBI or CIT. If the seniors want to play more games, and so long as we don't pay to host, I'm for it. You don't get to say you will participate in the CBI or CIT as long as you don't have to host. You either sign the contract to participate in the tournament or you don't. We didn't want to host in the past and got stuck doing so because we signed the contract and didn't have a choice. That is the biggest problem with these play to pay tournaments. the only reason to play in one of these tournaments is if it is going to help us next year. If we had a young team and the extra practice and playing time was going to help their development I would be all for it. We aren't a young team. We go 7 deep most nights and 4 of those 7 won't be here next year. We should use the time and money we would be wasting on one of these tournaments on finishing out our recruiting class. We have 2 good players coming back next year: Benzinger and Alstork. We have a few role players and not much else. I am not impressed with either one of our signees for next year. We NEED to add a few impact players or we are going to finish dead last in the HL next year. I didn't know that, in terms of what you describe as kind of a flat rate. I thought you had to pay more if you were willing to host. I think you are selling a couple guys short. Mitchell, like you said in an earlier post, is probably a role player his last two yers; a grinder that averages 6-8pts a game, and gets minutes due to defense and being a glue guy. But Hughes, I think has some real potential to be special. Regardless, any practice time is valuable, so the program will have to weigh that versus the cost associated with playing in these tournaments. I just would hate for Joe and JT especially to have their season, if it comes down to it, end in the HL tourney.
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Post by Big D on Feb 16, 2016 21:17:03 GMT -5
The contract for these tournaments don't give you the option to host or be the road team. If you agree to be in the tournament the group that runs the tournament decides who hosts. You don't pay anything to be the road team except your travel costs but if you are picked to host you have to pay a large fee and have to try to sell enough tickets to cover the costs. We lost money the last 2 times we played in these type of tournaments and we had much higher fan interest back then. I don't see the athletic department deciding to play this year.
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Post by gerb on Feb 17, 2016 8:35:33 GMT -5
The contract for these tournaments don't give you the option to host or be the road team. If you agree to be in the tournament the group that runs the tournament decides who hosts. You don't pay anything to be the road team except your travel costs but if you are picked to host you have to pay a large fee and have to try to sell enough tickets to cover the costs. We lost money the last 2 times we played in these type of tournaments and we had much higher fan interest back then. I don't see the athletic department deciding to play this year.
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Post by ohiopirate on Feb 17, 2016 9:36:24 GMT -5
We just don't have forward or a center. That's a pretty big "just" For anyone saying that Hughes is a role player, I'd be curious to hear exactly what you expect out of a true freshman point guard at the mid-major level. If he came in as an All-League player in his first year he probably would have never been on our campus in the first place because a bigger program would have scooped him up.
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Post by Raider Fanatic on Feb 17, 2016 10:11:48 GMT -5
We just don't have forward or a center. That's a pretty big "just" For anyone saying that Hughes is a role player, I'd be curious to hear exactly what you expect out of a true freshman point guard at the mid-major level. If he came in as an All-League player in his first year he probably would have never been on our campus in the first place because a bigger program would have scooped him up. Hughes is averaging 3.3 points and 1 assists a game while playing just under 20 minutes a game. I find it interesting that you didn't bring up Justim Mitchell who I also called a role player. They average almost identical numbers. I don't think either is ever going to be a star for us. I think they will both play and contribute for us. That's My definition of a role player.
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Post by ohiopirate on Feb 17, 2016 11:05:27 GMT -5
Mitchell is in his 2nd year of the program and played extensively last year to get some development. If Hughes doesn't progress at all from his freshman to sophomore year then you're probably right. My point is just that it doesn't seem fair to judge a freshman's entire career already. N'Gai Evans was probably less than a role player for us if you only judged him by his freshman season.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 20, 2016 11:02:28 GMT -5
With Valpo narrowly escaping Oakland last night, Valpo has clinched at least a shared league title. If my calculations are correct, a Valpo win tomorrow against Detroit will lock up the outright championship. All of a sudden, we're knotted up with Oakland again at 2/3 in the loss colum. but Green Bay is only a game behind.
There's still a lot of scenarios, but it looks like we can finish anywhere between the one seed and the six seed. Winning out we finish 3rd or better. Oakland plays 2 games down the stretch to our 3, not to mention Oakland finishes at home, where we finish on the road. I contend that finishing 4th in the league will actually be better than finishing 3rd, assuming that Oakland wins out. However, the odds of that are pretty unlikely. We own the tiebreaker over everyone in the league except Oakland due to our h2h sweep. In all likelihood, we'll be the 3 seed, and have a likely semifinal match-up with Oakland, who has obviously had our number all season. We'll know more tonight after the UIC vs. Oakland game, Oakland controls their own destiny for the 2 seed, so don't expect them to roll over. I will update this thread as things start to clear up.
Here's how the last week of the top of the league will shake out between now and next Sunday. Keep your eye on Milwaukee, they've got a ton of options, and can finish almost anywhere. WSU vs. NKU today Oakland @ UIC tomorrow Detroit @ Valpo tomorrow WSU @ YSU Thursday Detroit @ Oakland Friday Valpo @ Milwaukee Friday WSU @ CSU Saturday Valpo @ Green Bay next Sunday
Current tournament seeds: 1. Valpo (can lock up #1 seed with a win tomorrow) 2. Oakland (locks up the 2 seed by winning out, could theoretically fall as far as 6 by losing out) 3. WSU (can lock up at least a 4 seed with win tonight, can finish 1-6) 4. GB (4 games to play, can finish 3-7) 5. Detroit (can finish 4,5, or 6) 6. Milwaukee (4 games to play, tons of options for them, could finish as high as 3) 7. YSU (4 games to play, can finish between 6-10) 8. NKU (3 to play, can finish 6-10) 9. CSU (will be between 7-10) 10. UIC (will be 8-10)
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Post by Dr J on Feb 20, 2016 16:20:09 GMT -5
09, if we win tonight we are tied with Oakland in 2nd and both have 2 games to play. If we wn out and Oakland loses at UIC or Detroit we will end up in 2nd place.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 20, 2016 16:28:43 GMT -5
Fixed. Not sure where my wires got crossed.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 20, 2016 19:16:06 GMT -5
GB over YSU UWM over CSU WSU over NKU
The WSU win lowers Milwaukee's ceiling to 4 at best WSU can now finish no worse than 4
Update based on results from 2/20
Current tournament seeds: 1. Valpo (can lock up #1 seed with a win tomorrow) 2. Oakland (locks up the 2 seed by winning out, could theoretically fall as far as 6 by losing out) 3. WSU (can finish anywhere from 1-4) 4. GB (3 games to play, can finish 3-6) 5. Detroit (can finish 4,5, or 6) 6. Milwaukee (3 games to play, tons of options for them, could finish as high as 4) 7. YSU (3 games to play, can finish between 7-10) 8. NKU (will be between 7-10) 9. CSU (will be between 7-10) 10. UIC (will be 8-10)
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Post by Raider3G on Feb 20, 2016 23:45:10 GMT -5
GB over YSU UWM over CSU WSU over NKU The WSU win lowers Milwaukee's ceiling to 4 at best WSU can now finish no worse than 4 Update based on results from 2/20 Current tournament seeds: 1. Valpo (can lock up #1 seed with a win tomorrow) 2. Oakland (locks up the 2 seed by winning out, could theoretically fall as far as 6 by losing out) 3. WSU (can finish anywhere from 1-4) 4. GB (3 games to play, can finish 3-6) 5. Detroit (can finish 4,5, or 6) 6. Milwaukee (3 games to play, tons of options for them, could finish as high as 4) 7. YSU (3 games to play, can finish between 7-10) 8. NKU (will be between 7-10) 9. CSU (will be between 7-10) 10. UIC (will be 8-10) Thanks for putting this together. Still a lot to be determined.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 21, 2016 15:15:51 GMT -5
Valpo leads Detroit 48-37 at the half, and has a pretty comfortable 8-10 point lead the entire game.
Valpo hit a 3 pointer to beat the clock, and leave about a second left. Anton Wilson then hit an 85 foot banked three that the officials waved off. Of course, the great media crew at Valpo has provided the audience no replay.
I forget how spoiled I am that our WSU guys have replays available at the drop of a hat.
If Valpo finished off Detroit, they will clinch the #1 seed in the league tournament, regardless of how they do on their Wisconsin trip.
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