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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 21, 2016 18:07:02 GMT -5
1. Valpo 2. Oakland (is the #2 seed with a win against Detroit, or one loss by WSU) 3. WSU (is #3 by winning out, will be #2 if win out + Oakland loss to Detroit; can fall as low as 4th) 4. GB (3 games to play, can finish 3-6) 5. Detroit (@ Oakland, can finish 4-6) 6. Milwaukee (3 games to play, tons of options for them, could finish as high as 4) 7. YSU (2 games to play, can finish between 7-10) 8. NKU (will be between 7-9) 9. CSU (will be between 7-10) 10. UIC (will be 9 or 10)
Valpo has locked up the #1 seed in the Horizon League Tournament.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 22, 2016 22:41:31 GMT -5
1. Valpo 2. Oakland (is the #2 seed with a win against Detroit, or one loss by WSU) 3. WSU (is #3 by winning one of last two games, will be #2 if win out + Oakland loss to Detroit) 4. GB (2 games to play, can finish 3-6, can be three only if they win out, and WSU loses out.) 5. Milwaukee (2 games to play, tons of options for them, could finish as high as 4 by winning out, AND have GB lose to either Valpo/UIC. They would hop GB by virtue of Oakland tiebreaker) 6. Detroit (a loss @oakl ensures the #6 seed, a win @oak could move them up to 5 depending on MKE) 7. NKU (a win @ysu will ensure the #7 seed, a loss ensures #8) 8. YSU (2 games to play, can finish between 7-9) 9. CSU (will be between 8-10) 10. UIC (will be 9 or 10)
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 24, 2016 17:04:56 GMT -5
Updated standings as of 2/24/16 1. Valpo2. Oakland (is the #2 seed with a win against Detroit, or one loss by WSU) 3. WSU (is #3 by winning one of last two games, will be #2 if win out + Oakland loss to Detroit) 4. GB (2 games to play, can finish 3-6, can be three only if they win out, and WSU loses out.) 5. Milwaukee (2 games to play, tons of options for them, could finish as high as 4 by winning out, AND have GB lose to either Valpo/UIC. They would hop GB by virtue of Oakland tiebreaker) 6. Detroit (a loss @oakl ensures the #6 seed, a win @oak could move them up to 5 depending on MKE) 7. NKU (a win @ysu will ensure the #7 seed, a loss ensures #8) 8. YSU (2 games to play, can finish between 7-9) 9. CSU (will be between 8-10) 10. UIC (will be 9 or 10) The league has 7/8 in a different order based on overall wins, but that has no bearing in tournament seeding. These numbers accurately reflect the seeds, as if the tournament started today. Valpo has locked up the #1 seed in the Horizon League Tournament. If NKU and YSU end up with the same record and YSU beats NKU, YSU will have the higher seed due to their victory over Green Bay (or a win against WSU) (all other prevailing tie-breakers are null). The money this weekend (aside from watching the Raiders obviously) is in Wisconsin. Green Bay and Milwaukee are both trying to hold ground on teams on their heels. Either team knocking of Valpo will give them nods in any tiebreakers they will face. Milwaukee and Green Bay are vying for 4th place, the loser of that battle will be 5th or 6th (depending on Detroit's outcome against Oakland) GB can still technically be 3rd with wins over Valpo and UIC, and 2 Raider loses. Detroit will be #6 if they lose at Oakland. Could be #5 if they win (depends on MKE) The winner of the YSU/NKU game will be the 7 seed, the loser can finish anywhere from 8-10. The current most LIKELY order is 1. Valpo 2. Oakland 3. WSU 4. Green Bay 5. Milwaukee 6. Detroit 7. NKU 8. YSU 9. CSU 10. UIC This is making several assumptions. First, that Valpo wins out. This doesn't affect Valpo's seed, but affects seeds 4-6. Also assume Oakland holds court and beats Detroit. Detroit has a tiebreaker over Milwaukee which will hold true, UNLESS Milwaukee upsets Valpo, which is a definite possibility. However, that tiebreaker will only matter if Detroit beats Oakland. If that happens, and MKE fails to beat Valpo, then WSU will move to 2, Oakland falls to 3, followed by GB, Detroit, then MKE. Basically, there's still a lot to hash out. I will update the standings following the Thursday games. Ultimately, the top 6 will be set after Saturday's showdown on that hideous blacktop at the O'rena. Raider fans are Titan fans this weekend Nothing else will directly affect us. One win ensure the 3 seed.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 25, 2016 21:46:35 GMT -5
Updated standings as of 2/24/16 Updated after 2/25 final scores
1. Valpo 2. Oakland (is the #2 seed with a win against Detroit, or a WSU loss @csu) 3. WSU (#3 seed is ours, can move to #2 if UDM beats OU AND we beat CSU on Saturday) 4. GB (#4 if win out, could fall to 5 if MKE wins out, and GB loses to Valpo) 5. Milwaukee (Can finish 4th if they win out, and GB loses at least one game, could fall to 6 if they lose out) 6. Detroit (a loss @oak ensures the #6 seed, a win @oak could move them up to 5 depending on MKE) 7. NKU (winner of YSU/NKU gets 7 seed) 8. YSU (winner of YSU/NKU gets 7 seed) 9. CSU (will be between 8 or 9) 10. UIC (will be 10 unless they can win out)
Valpo has locked up the #1 seed in the Horizon League Tournament.
The money this weekend (aside from watching the Raiders obviously) is in Wisconsin. Green Bay and Milwaukee are both trying to hold ground on teams on their heels. Either team knocking of Valpo will give them nods in any tiebreakers they will face.
Milwaukee and Green Bay are vying for 4th place, the loser of that battle will be 5th or 6th (depending on Detroit's outcome against Oakland)
Detroit will be #6 if they lose at Oakland. Could be #5 if they win (depends on MKE)
The winner of the YSU/NKU game will be the 7 seed, the loser can finish anywhere from 8-9.
This is making several assumptions. First, that Valpo wins out. This doesn't affect Valpo's seed, but affects seeds 4-6. Also assume Oakland holds court and beats Detroit. Detroit has a tiebreaker over Milwaukee which will hold true, UNLESS Milwaukee upsets Valpo, which is a definite possibility. However, that tiebreaker will only matter if Detroit beats Oakland. If that happens, and MKE fails to beat Valpo, then WSU will move to 2, Oakland falls to 3, followed by GB, Detroit, then MKE.
Top three seeds will be finalized tomorrow after the Oakland/Detroit game.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 25, 2016 22:30:26 GMT -5
One more thing: our win tonight ensures that, if the bracket plays out, we'll get Oakland in the semis...in Detroit...
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Post by BasketBallJones on Feb 26, 2016 10:51:24 GMT -5
Any seed lower than 1 or 2 in this league is basically worthless. John Nance Garner once said that the office of the Vice-Presidency of the United States "wasn't worth a bucket of warm spit". The same goes for seeds 3-10. Winning 4 games in 4 days is hard enough, but then after 2 wins you play the 1 or 2 seed who's rested all week. It's nearly an impossible task.
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Post by ohiopirate on Feb 26, 2016 12:06:13 GMT -5
Any seed lower than 1 or 2 in this league is basically worthless. John Nance Garner once said that the office of the Vice-Presidency of the United States "wasn't worth a bucket of warm spit". The same goes for seeds 3-10. Winning 4 games in 4 days is hard enough, but then after 2 wins you play the 1 or 2 seed who's rested all week. It's nearly an impossible task. Sadly, I totally agree. We've already lost to the probable 10 seed too which we would get in the first round.
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Post by Dr J on Feb 26, 2016 12:49:04 GMT -5
Well tonight game has a lot at stake for Oakland and Detroit. Detroit can jump up a spot with a win and Oakland can lose 2nd. How many Raider fans will be rooting for Detroit?
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 26, 2016 15:31:15 GMT -5
Agree on all fronts. With the new format of the league, the road to a championship is almost impossible for anyone not 1 or 2. There isn't one team in this league I would put money on having to play 4 games in 4 days. It's just too much to ask. This is another beef I have with the new tournament. At least before, you had a travel day, which is some semblance of rest. I said it two or three weeks ago that we wouldn't win this league unless we were the 2 seed.
We've already lost to Oakland twice, and now, in all practicality, we're going to have to play them after playing the prior two nights, and that's assuming we get by (most likely) UIC and Green Bay, both of which have already beat us once this season. Our road to the championship is paved by teams who will have beaten us 4 times already. The odds are stacked against us. Our only hope is a Detroit win tonight, and a Raider win tomorrow to lock up the 2 seed.
I like our chances of beating UIC, but it would be a tough game. Luckily, we'll get Green Bay after a dog fight against Milwaukee....but then Oakland is sitting there smiling the whole time while we fight to barely scrape by, and then pummel us by 20 the next night with fresh legs, and a rested Kay Felder.
We need that 2 seed, and turn the tables on Oakland. Detroit can put up a fight. They barely beat Detroit the first time around, you know Detroit is going to want to knock them off their pedestal.
All eyes on the O'rena tonight.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 26, 2016 21:32:11 GMT -5
1. Valpo 2. Oakland 3. Wright St. 4. Green Bay 5. Milwaukee 6. Detroit 7. Winner of NKU vs. YSU 8. Loser of NKU vs. YSU 9. CSU (secures #9 with a win, or UIC loss) 10. UIC (needs a win and a CSU loss to move to #9)
Tournament Pairings Valpo and Oakland will have double byes.
The winner of Green Bay vs (9 seed) will play the winner of Milwaukee and (YSU/NKU loser), winner of that will play Valpo in the semifinal. The winner of WSU vs (10 seed) will play the winner of Detroit vs (YSU/NKU winner), winner of that will play Oakland in the semifinal.
After all is said and done, I'd rather be the 4 seed than where we are now. We have to go through UIC (beat us once), likely Detroit (beat us once), and then Oakland (beat us twice). Four losses, and basically, two true road games. Hell, I'd rather be the 9 seed. This is not the side of the bracket to be on.
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Post by Raider3G on Feb 27, 2016 9:28:12 GMT -5
After all is said and done, I'd rather be the 4 seed than where we are now. We have to go through UIC (beat us once), likely Detroit (beat us once), and then Oakland (beat us twice). Four losses, and basically, two true road games. Hell, I'd rather be the 9 seed. This is not the side of the bracket to be on.
I don't think many on the board would disagree with the statement about the wrong side of the bracket. Let's just get thru today, it's always nice to beat CSU in Cleveland (and rare). I'd still like to see the team entering the tourney on a 3 game win streak. Give some momentum to get thru at least the first two rounds. Just gotta hope the time off hurts OU some, and they are too amped up playing in Detroit.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 27, 2016 15:19:17 GMT -5
1. Valpo 2. Oakland 3. Wright St. 4. Green Bay 5. Milwaukee 6. Detroit 7. Winner of NKU vs. YSU 8. Loser of NKU vs. YSU 9. CSU (#9 with a UIC loss today) 10. UIC (secures #9 with a win today)
Tournament Pairings Valpo and Oakland will have double byes.
The winner of Green Bay vs (9 seed) will play the winner of Milwaukee and (YSU/NKU loser), winner of that will play Valpo in the semifinal. The winner of WSU vs (10 seed) will play the winner of Detroit vs (YSU/NKU winner), winner of that will play Oakland in the semifinal.
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Post by willgrahamsbanked3 on Feb 28, 2016 11:25:16 GMT -5
I'm not looking forward to the probable first round match-up with UIC, but I am glad we are on the opposite side of Milwaukee. UW-Milwaukee has only lost 2 games by more than 4 points since November 17th. You can make the argument that the inability to win close games is the sign of a bad team, but if there is a sleeper in this tournament it is certainly Milwaukee.
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