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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 9:21:48 GMT -5
RaiderFan, here's what 2 "experts" feel about our non-con schedule. Jerry Palm doesn't have one program on our schedule in his latest bracketology (July 28). He has Oakland as a 15 seed, getting the HL auto. Lunardi's latest bracketology (June 1) has Oakland with the HL auto and a 14 seed. He has Loyola and Kent both getting the auto's for their respective conferences and both "earning" a 15 seed. He has Fairfield a Strong 16 seed...avoiding the play-in games. Historical perception and recognizable names aside, I'm not sure if programs that can't earn an at-large or a seed better than 14 deserve to be labeled "good mid-majors." Not "great" and not perrenial powers like VCU, Saint Mary's, or Gonzaga. But good mid-majors certainly. Oakland is going to be really, really good. Loyola should be at the top of MVC, many people are picking either them or Missouri State to win the MVC and we are playing both. WKU is also a really good team, even after losing Mitchell Robinson. They still have a ton of talent and will be a top 2 team in C-USA. Can't complain much about Kent State and Murray State, they're good squads. I agree that the D2 games need to stop, it is just annoying and the scheduling this year with three of the home games during that holiday tournament make it really undesirable for season ticket holders. I agree completely with those points. But as a whole, I like the schedule! I'd rather see games that we actually have a chance at winning than go to Lexington and get blasted in Rupp Arena. And maybe that is coach saying "this team needs those D2s to get some more wins". I have no clue how good they will be this year.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Aug 2, 2017 11:19:24 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment about all the non-D1 games. But we are finally playing some other decent MM teams, so I can't complain about that. What really irks me is why the h-e-double hockey sticks we are playing at Loyola again. Clear the MVC is a notch above the Horizon, but we didn't really play them tough last year...so now we're going to go back and play there again? We should be spending more time trying to schedule decent H-H series, 2-for-1s against decent local teams like UC or XU like we have in the past, and power-5 games we can look respectable in, and maybe have a chance to win. (GT would be the latter). Less of these tacky D2 and D3 teams, and less playing Loyola where were probably aren't looking a very decent buy.
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Post by mrose on Aug 2, 2017 11:50:58 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts about the Loyola game: If they're willing to pay the market rate of $75k - $90K for a buy game then I'm fine taking their money. We have a better chance of winning on their court than we would vs. most Power-5 programs. Just because we didn't play well there last year doesn't mean we won't play well this year. Heck, since we started playing them ~ 25 years ago we own the all time series 24 - 17.
That said, I see Loyola, Southern Illinois, and Missouri State as peer programs and I agree 110% we should be in a position to negotiate home-and-home series with those programs. I'm not sure if these are buy games or not. They may be. FWIW, Missouri State does have home-and-home series with North Dakota State and South Dakota State and plays those games on the road this season. Entering into a home-and-home with Wright State wouldn't be any worse than those series. Possibly they have those series due to their joined-at-the-hip MVC Football arrangement?
As a side note: I see the OSU coach has said he's willing to play games vs. Ohio's better programs. I'm not putting WSU up in that category (yet), but possibly that is something where Wright State can work ourselves into a MTE where we get to play UC, X, OSU as part of their 4th game.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Aug 3, 2017 10:15:31 GMT -5
well guys, i thought in previous years our scheduling of div. ii, div. iii teams was an embarrassing disgrace. but folks, we have reached a new low, an all time low. the ohio valley fighting scots!! wow!!! a west virginia school of 450 students. no that is not the enrollment in one of their large seminar classes. that is the enrollment in their whole freaking school. record last year was 2-23. the wright state-lake campus plays them. doesn't the lake campus play junior colleges??? not sure about that but i think so. so we play the same team our satellite campus plays. we complain about lack of respect locally, look no further than this to see why. not sure who is making the call for this but it needs to change or they need to go.
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Post by ohiopirate on Aug 3, 2017 15:52:45 GMT -5
well guys, i thought in previous years our scheduling of div. ii, div. iii teams was an embarrassing disgrace. but folks, we have reached a new low, an all time low. the ohio valley fighting scots!! wow!!! a west virginia school of 450 students. no that is not the enrollment in one of their large seminar classes. that is the enrollment in their whole freaking school. record last year was 2-23. the wright state-lake campus plays them. doesn't the lake campus play junior colleges??? not sure about that but i think so. so we play the same team our satellite campus plays. we complain about lack of respect locally, look no further than this to see why. not sure who is making the call for this but it needs to change or they need to go. LOL None of this is going to make it into the press release that's for sure. Yikes - that is pretty terrible - no way to sugarcoat it. First time I've ever questioned my season tickets - didn't think I ever would. EDIT: On second thought, couldn't we just schedule the Lake Campus as one of our home games? We don't have to pay them to come play us right? What's the difference? (tic)
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Post by keithfromxenia on Aug 3, 2017 16:30:45 GMT -5
great idea op. we are all about saving money. so maybe next year we schedule the lake campus and scc for two of our games. we can save a bundle. truly we have stooped lower than I ever thought we would. sad part is not too many people care.
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Post by BasketBallJones on Aug 3, 2017 16:54:25 GMT -5
With these D2 games on the schedule, I'm really surprised more people haven't opted out of season tickets. I believe there were several games last year priced at just $7, and tickets for nearly all the other games could be purchased for $10. Once you're inside the arena, you can sit just about anywhere you want to due to such poor attendance, so why pay the premium for season tickets? The Athletic Department is shooting themselves in the foot by scheduling these D2 games.
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Post by ohiopirate on Sept 6, 2017 13:00:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 14:42:30 GMT -5
Well, we're getting at least one nationally televized game this season which I believe is one more than we had last year? With a 50% chance at a second nationally televized game against NKU. That second game is a home matchup
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Post by wsu95 on Sept 6, 2017 16:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by bballraider on Sept 6, 2017 17:15:59 GMT -5
Well, we're getting at least one nationally televized game this season which I believe is one more than we had last year? With a 50% chance at a second nationally televized game against NKU. That second game is a home matchup I'm not sure we are guaranteed any games on the ESPN networks other than ESPN3. The HL link says there are 8 games televised, and there are 10 games total listed with both of ours listed with another game. So I think they only choose one of those games (unless they are not considering one of the semifinal games which is usually tape delayed). So I am guessing that our games will only air if it is the better of the 2 matchups each of the nights we are listed. I hope I'm wrong, it depends on whether they are airing both games on Jan. 5th or not: Friday, January 5 Wright State at Detroit Mercy (ESPNU/ESPN2 Netflex) Northern Kentucky at Oakland (ESPNU/ESPN2 Netflex)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 17:18:07 GMT -5
The other articles I've read say that they will air both games back to to back for the one you specifically mentioned. And the Feb. 16th game will be the better of the two
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Post by bballraider on Sept 6, 2017 17:24:01 GMT -5
The other articles I've read say that they will air both games back to to back for the one you specifically mentioned. And the Feb. 16th game will be the better of the two Maybe the Horizon League website screwed up and there are 9 games being played on ESPN for the league. It wouldn't be the first time they were wrong. They list 2 on ESPN2 and 4 on ESPNU, and then 3 for the tournament.
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Post by mrose on Oct 24, 2017 11:53:49 GMT -5
I was looking at Tiffin's schedule and they have the game vs. Wright State listed as an exhibition game. Does the NCAA allow one team to consider a game an exhibition and the opponent to consider it a regular season game?
Edit: I answered my own question. Yes. Most of the non D I contests HL members are playing this year are considered exhibition games by their opponents. Just when I thought my perception of our scheduling and that of the Horizon League couldn't get any worse I find out the cupcakes on the schedule don't even consider it a real game. SMH.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 10:13:47 GMT -5
Here is the breakdown of our schedule, preseason;
Kenpom:
Loyola - 93 Miami (OH) - 294 Murray St. - 156 Tiffin - N/A Gardner Webb - 226 Jacksonville - 312 Fairfield - 219 Western Kentucky - 230 Ohio Valley - N/A Kent St. - 179 Toledo - 184 Missouri St. - 99 Georgia Tech - 44
UIC - 154 Oakland - 90 Milwaukee - 208 Green Bay - 243 IUPUI - 218 NKU - 127 Detroit - 274 Youngstown St. - 255 Cleveland St. - 265
Wright St. - 201
Avg. non-con. Kenpom preseaon: 185 Avg. conference Kenpom preseaon: 204
CBS preseaon RPI:
Loyola - 74 Miami (OH) - 285 Murray St. - 154 Tiffin - N/A Gardner Webb - 251 Jacksonville - 300 Fairfield - 182 Western Kentucky - 152 Ohio Valley - N/A Kent St. - 170 Toledo - 136 Missouri St. - 58 Georgia Tech - 59
UIC - 144 Oakland - 45 Milwaukee - 274 Green Bay - 199 IUPUI - 333 NKU - 119 Detroit - 174 Youngstown St. - 227 Cleveland St. - 299
Wright St. - 158
Avg. non-con CBS preseason RPI: 166 Avg. conference CBS preseason RPI: 202
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