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Post by raiderfan101 on Jan 26, 2024 11:52:28 GMT -5
One poster, who didn't even watch the entire game, was the only person showing intense negativity towards Alex. The young man is human. Sometimes he does things that I wished he hadn't done, but most of the time he's a solid team player. The reason I've been a ticket holder since before the Nutter Center was built is I so enjoy watching the growth these men make during their time here. Alex is certainly a much better player today than when he arrived. To the negative poster, do you remember what it was like to watch Trey during his first year here? Don't think many of us who were watching then dreamed that he would become the wonderful player that he is today. This ^^^^ players under Nagy make a significant jump from their sophomore year to their Junior year in my experience. I remember watching a young Gentry struggle...and boy did he grow as a player! With Nagy's more traditional approach to recruiting we are lucky enough (although at times frustrating) to see the growth of young men! |
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Post by willgrahamsbanked3 on Jan 26, 2024 11:56:22 GMT -5
Offensive rebounding is what Cleveland State does, but those first 25-30 minutes were almost impossible to watch on that front.
On the opposite end of the spectrum it was so satisfying watching the Raiders knock down 32 free throws at an 84% clip, the most they've made in a game in over 3 years.
WSU is one game behind in the loss column of 1st and one ahead of 9th. Take care of business at IUPUI then 6 of the last 9 are at home.
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Post by the1stnoel on Jan 26, 2024 12:28:46 GMT -5
This ^^^^ players under Nagy make a significant jump from their sophomore year to their Junior year in my experience. I remember watching a young Gentry struggle...and boy did he grow as a player! With Nagy's more traditional approach to recruiting we are lucky enough (although at times frustrating) to see the growth of young men! This is great point. For every person on this board complaining about Wright State's inability to utilize the transfer portal like other league opponents there are equally as many on the other side envious that Wright State has been able to keep two 5th year stars for (just about) their entire college careers.
That doesn't make the "transfer portal complainers" wrong, it would be great if WSU could maximize both...but to the point above, in this landscape of college basketball it is most certainly rare to end up in a situation like Wright State with 4 starters in at least their 4th season with the program. Sure, in a vacuum, I'd rather win 20-25 games with portal guys than go .500 with veterans, but nothing will top rooting for a team of guys we've watched grow together for many seasons that goes out and wins it all.
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Post by oldschooll on Jan 26, 2024 13:18:22 GMT -5
The complainers on this board are so annoying.
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Post by oldschooll on Jan 26, 2024 13:26:14 GMT -5
Schedule the rest of the way lines up well for a 1st round bye and home game in 2nd round of HL tourney. Four remaining games against RMU, UDM and IUPUI, with home games against OU, NKU, PFW, amd YSU. The win tonight makes 12-14 league wins realistic. Absolutely agree, but fool me once, shame on you, etc.... I've been fooled in both directions by this team all season long. It would not surprise me at all if they get hot and finish near the top of the standings. It also would not shock me if they crap the bed in one of those 4 games against RMU, UDM, and IUPUI, or get thumped by YSU and Oakland. If we can consistently play the way we played in overtime and the last 10 minutes of regulation, we'll be fine. But it seems for every half where we play that way, we throw in another half like the first half tonight where we had zero offensive rebounds and gave up 48 points. This team is so Jekyll and Hyde we just don't know which team will show up in any given game or half. Let's hope tonight's comeback is a "turning the corner" event. Could you please retire the phrase, "crap the bed." I am trying to enjoy Wright State basketball and this wonderful message board, but that nasty phrase has been popping up on this board way too many times this year. Just like you want Wright State to raise their game, I encourage you to raise your game and work on your descriptive narrative. PS This is not a complaint, just an opportunity for growth. |
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Post by nomeara on Jan 26, 2024 13:35:18 GMT -5
I’d love to hear your expectations for this team going into the season? Crapping the bed seemed like an accurate description for the first half of the year imo.
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Post by hokieraider on Jan 26, 2024 14:55:00 GMT -5
Absolutely agree, but fool me once, shame on you, etc.... I've been fooled in both directions by this team all season long. It would not surprise me at all if they get hot and finish near the top of the standings. It also would not shock me if they crap the bed in one of those 4 games against RMU, UDM, and IUPUI, or get thumped by YSU and Oakland. If we can consistently play the way we played in overtime and the last 10 minutes of regulation, we'll be fine. But it seems for every half where we play that way, we throw in another half like the first half tonight where we had zero offensive rebounds and gave up 48 points. This team is so Jekyll and Hyde we just don't know which team will show up in any given game or half. Let's hope tonight's comeback is a "turning the corner" event. Could you please retire the phrase, "crap the bed." I am trying to enjoy Wright State basketball and this wonderful message board, but that nasty phrase has been popping up on this board way too many times this year. Just like you want Wright State to raise their game, I encourage you to raise your game and work on your descriptive narrative. PS This is not a complaint, just an opportunity for growth. Duly noted, and consider it now retired (like me). I'll go back to my youth and use "lay an egg". |
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Post by hokieraider on Jan 26, 2024 15:06:54 GMT -5
This ^^^^ players under Nagy make a significant jump from their sophomore year to their Junior year in my experience. I remember watching a young Gentry struggle...and boy did he grow as a player! With Nagy's more traditional approach to recruiting we are lucky enough (although at times frustrating) to see the growth of young men! This is great point. For every person on this board complaining about Wright State's inability to utilize the transfer portal like other league opponents there are equally as many on the other side envious that Wright State has been able to keep two 5th year stars for (just about) their entire college careers.
That doesn't make the "transfer portal complainers" wrong, it would be great if WSU could maximize both...but to the point above, in this landscape of college basketball it is most certainly rare to end up in a situation like Wright State with 4 starters in at least their 4th season with the program. Sure, in a vacuum, I'd rather win 20-25 games with portal guys than go .500 with veterans, but nothing will top rooting for a team of guys we've watched grow together for many seasons that goes out and wins it all.
I would much rather see us getting recruits from HS that come here and stay, than having a bunch of one year wonder transfers. With the transfers, you can be really good one season, and back to a tail end team the next year when they then depart. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with going after someone following their freshman or sophomore year when it becomes apparent they aren't going to become a big star in the Big East, Big 10, etc. But that should be to fill in the roster, not the primary means for building it. To put it another way, both Oakland and Youngstown have had some good seasons with their transfers, but all things considered, over the long term I would rather be WSU or NKU than Oakland or YSU. And as stated above, it is very nice to watch the growth of players over their 4 years. |
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Post by raiderfan101 on Jan 26, 2024 16:44:30 GMT -5
This is great point. For every person on this board complaining about Wright State's inability to utilize the transfer portal like other league opponents there are equally as many on the other side envious that Wright State has been able to keep two 5th year stars for (just about) their entire college careers.
That doesn't make the "transfer portal complainers" wrong, it would be great if WSU could maximize both...but to the point above, in this landscape of college basketball it is most certainly rare to end up in a situation like Wright State with 4 starters in at least their 4th season with the program. Sure, in a vacuum, I'd rather win 20-25 games with portal guys than go .500 with veterans, but nothing will top rooting for a team of guys we've watched grow together for many seasons that goes out and wins it all.
I would much rather see us getting recruits from HS that come here and stay, than having a bunch of one year wonder transfers. With the transfers, you can be really good one season, and back to a tail end team the next year when they then depart. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with going after someone following their freshman or sophomore year when it becomes apparent they aren't going to become a big star in the Big East, Big 10, etc. But that should be to fill in the roster, not the primary means for building it. To put it another way, both Oakland and Youngstown have had some good seasons with their transfers, but all things considered, over the long term I would rather be WSU or NKU than Oakland or YSU. And as stated above, it is very nice to watch the growth of players over their 4 years. I like what you said here! We defiantly should be using the transfer portal more then we do now. We do not by any means need a team of them though. Say what you want about Nagy but I think he has an eye for talent look at the teams we have had in the past couple of years! With this being said there are years we defiantly have holes. Last offseason I wanted the raiders to try and go into the transfer portal to look for a rim protector. I think that would have helped hold us over until our recruits come in for next season. I think it should be more as a patch to a weak spot rather then building a team that way. |
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Post by bballraider on Jan 26, 2024 17:41:03 GMT -5
One thing I hope Coach Nagy got out of this game is that he can trust his bench more than he does. I'm not sure we win that game if players hadn't gotten into foul trouble. Cleveland State was obviously more athletic and quicker than our starters, but foul trouble forced Nagy to play our freshman, who are inexperienced, but a tad quicker than some of our starters and other reserves. (I think the incoming recruits, and our current red shirt players will also help improve our team speed/quickness/athleticism next year.) But to my point, playing KK, Logan and Drew made our team a little smaller, but quicker and better defensively. Cleveland State's offense was not built on passing and movement, other than screening for Lowder to get open, but more on out quicking and beating their defender to the basket and to getting to the rebound on missed shots. Granted the freshman made a few mistakes and on occasion got beat a few times by CSU's experienced players, but overall they held their own. Normally Coach would pull the players after a mistake, but because of the foul trouble he couldn't pull them and was forced to give them more of a chance to play. We actually cut into the lead for awhile with the freshman on the floor, and certainly didn't lose any ground. It also kept our starters much more rested and able to hit shots at the end of the game and overtime. My guess is that the foul trouble helped us win that game. But it's just a theory, as we don't know how the game would have played out had the starters not been in foul trouble. Hopefully this game will help Nagy realize he can use/trust the bench more than he has been. I know wishful thinking  |
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Post by oldschooll on Jan 26, 2024 18:05:49 GMT -5
I’d love to hear your expectations for this team going into the season? Crapping the bed seemed like an accurate description for the first half of the year imo. I thought this team could win 26 or 27 games this year. For that goal to be reached I knew it would require the freshmen to rack up major minutes and be major contributors, but that did not happen. Once again Nagy wasted the OOC portion of the season by not giving the new guys enough minutes to get comfortable in game time situations. The truth is the majority of the players getting the most minutes for Wright State are slow and can't jump, this is a problem when playing basketball. You act like Wright State should dominate the Horizon League, but that is ridiculous, the teams in the top half of the league are playing on a pretty even footing. Wright State was not the consensus pick in the pre-season polls. In conclusion, I think the team is in a good spot right now. They are starting to play team basketball. The freshmen are getting more comfortable and starting to contribute. The team always plays hard, they never give up, I like their effort. If Wright State plays well they can beat anyone in the league this year and if they catch a break or two, the NCAA Tourney is possible. If WSU had a record like IUPUI, 2-9 (10th place) Horizon League, 6-16 overall, that would qualify as pooping the bed or laying an egg. |
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Post by raiderrunt on Jan 26, 2024 18:14:13 GMT -5
Could you please retire the phrase, "crap the bed." I am trying to enjoy Wright State basketball and this wonderful message board, but that nasty phrase has been popping up on this board way too many times this year. Just like you want Wright State to raise their game, I encourage you to raise your game and work on your descriptive narrative. PS This is not a complaint, just an opportunity for growth. Duly noted, and consider it now retired (like me). I'll go back to my youth and use "lay an egg". How about "piss down his legs?" I know Big D has used that in the past. |
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Post by oldschooll on Jan 26, 2024 23:21:42 GMT -5
No Andrew Welage last night. Can't remember seeing him dressed on the bench. Anyone know his status?
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Post by 5string on Jan 26, 2024 23:50:53 GMT -5
No Andrew Welage last night. Can't remember seeing him dressed on the bench. Anyone know his status? Yeah, I noticed he wasn't dressed, but don't know the scoop. |
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Post by OG Raiderfan on Jan 27, 2024 1:55:51 GMT -5
To the negative poster, do you remember what it was like to watch Trey during his first year here? Don't think many of us who were watching then dreamed that he would become the wonderful player that he is today. Your argument is flawed in so many ways I am not sure where to even begin. So I guess I should start with the obvious, you are trying to bitch at posters who have been upset with Alex’s performance this year because he scored a lot of points against CSU. You are completely missing the point. He did that in 1 game, not an entire season or career for that matter AND the main complaint we ALL have with Alex is his shitty defense and that hasn’t changed at all. I don’t think many people ever questioned if he could shoot. We want him to play some defense. It doesn’t matter that he is averaging 11 points a game if the guy he is defending scores more than that every game. The goal of the game has never changed. You want to score more than your opponent. It’s how you win games. Let’s go with the next obvious flaw in your argument. You are comparing how fans might have felt about Trey his first year here compared to how they feel about Alex now. That is just plain ignorant. Trey was a true freshman and struggled at times because he was thin as a rail and a true freshman trying to learn our system and figure out the college game. Alex isn’t a scrawny freshman trying to learn our system this year. He’s in his 4th year at Wright State and has appeared in over 80 games. Maybe if he is granted another 15 years of eligibility by the NCAA we can expect to see him play at least mediocre defense by then. Almost everyone was predicting Wright State was going to win the HL this year and had a team capable of winning a game in the tournament. We are barely over .500 in a really bad conference. Our fans have every right to be upset with this team. Look at the thread the admin posted on national stats. We are crushing it in every offensive category. We are a bottom 10 team in the country in most defensive categories. If we even played mediocre defense, we would only have 2-3 losses right now. Anyone that says the fans that are upset with this team should be eating crow after the CSU game is a moron. One win doesn’t make up for the 10 losses we have already. We can go undefeated the remainder of the regular season and win the HL tournament and we will still be in the play in game across town. That will still be considered an epic failure for this team with the offensive firepower they possess. |
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