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Post by Jazzfan on Oct 1, 2009 18:29:46 GMT -5
The Sporting News picks: 1, Butler 2, Wright State 3, Milwaukee 4, Cleveland State 5, UIC 6, Detroit 7, Green Bay 8, Youngstown State 9, Loyola 10, Valparaiso
All-Horizon League Matt Howard, Butler Norris Cole, Cleveland State Tone Boyle, Milwaukee Gordon Hayward, Butler Todd Brown, Wright State
POY: Gordon Hayward NOY: Eli Holman COY: Brad Brownell
Recruiting ratings 1, Valparaiso 2, Detroit 3, Cleveland State 4, Green Bay 5, Milwaukee 6, UIC 7, Loyola 8, Butler 9, Wright State 10, Youngstown State
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Post by riceownz2 on Oct 2, 2009 12:47:43 GMT -5
I dont understand the recruiting ratings. And no VD for all horizon league? Crazy talk.
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Oct 2, 2009 22:02:23 GMT -5
Katz is an idiot to say "being ranked No. 71 puts the Raiders on the bubble as an NCAA Tournament team." Due to all of the automatic bids, only about the top 40-45 teams in the nation get in. If your RPI is 71, you can forget about it. Needs to be in the 40's. Katz said being ranked 71 would put us on the bubble to getting into the NCAA tournament. He didn't say that being ranked would get us into the dance. He said it would put us on the bubble, and it would. Three years ago we got into the NCAA tournament by winning the HL automatic bid. Going into the HL tournament, we had an RPI of 73 and we were on ESPN and CBSsportsline's bubble watch lists. We wouldn't have got an at large bid, but we were on the bubble.
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Oct 3, 2009 22:04:25 GMT -5
I know what Katz said. The term "on the bubble" refers to teams hoping to get an at-large bid to the tournament. If you are ranked 71st, you are by no means on the bubble. I disagree with your definition of "on the bubble". It does not refer to teams hoping to get an at large bid. There are over 340 teams that would like to get an at large bid this year. Only 15-20 of those teams will be "on the bubble". The term "on the bubble" means: On the threshold; finely balanced between success and failure. For example, if a qualifying competition for an event allowed the top eight runners to proceed to the next round then those who were close to qualification and could get through by a small increase in performance would be said to be 'on the bubble'. www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/on-the-bubble.htmlWe were on the bubble 3 years ago with an RPI of 73. If we have an RPI of 71 at the end of the year we will be "on the bubble" again. As I already mentioned, ESPN and CBS sports had us on their Bubble watch 3 years ago. I think everyone is going to believe ESPN and CBS over your opinion.
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Post by Raider Grad on Oct 4, 2009 8:43:55 GMT -5
I agree with O&W. On the Bubble has always referred to the teams that have work left to do to get into the NCAA tournament. It has never meant teams that might get in, might not if they don't win their conference tournament. ESPN does a great job of breaking down teams on their Bubble Watch list. They list teams as "locks" when they think they are going to get in or "on the bubble" if they need to improve their stock.
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Post by Raider Alumni on Oct 4, 2009 10:14:13 GMT -5
Can we just keep this thread on topic?
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Post by Raider Grad on Oct 4, 2009 11:56:34 GMT -5
What is the difference between "teams that have work left to do to get in the NCAA Tournament" and "teams that might get in, might not if they don't win their conference tourney." When you say a team has "work left to do to get in the NCAA Tournament" you are saying that they ARE NOT getting in unless they improve their resume. When you say a team "might get in, might not if they don't win their conference tourney" you are saying it could go either way. Saying someone isn't in vs saying it could go either way is 2 very different things. I don't quite understand your problem understanding that.
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Oct 14, 2009 19:57:32 GMT -5
Blue Ribbon Predictions 1. Butler 2. Wright St. 3. Wisconsin-Green Bay 4. Cleveland St. 5. Wisconsin-Milwaukee 6. Detroit 7. Youngstown St. 8. UIC 9. Loyola-Chicago 10. Valparaiso
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Post by coogles on Oct 14, 2009 21:44:20 GMT -5
Green Bay third? Really?
UIC will be lucky to win a single game; there's no way they're coming in ahead of Loyola and Valpo. I'll wait to read their HL writeup until it pops up on ESPN, but typically Blue Ribbon is current through early September, so you'd think they'd be aware of what little talent UIC will have this year.
Detroit has a shot moving higher than 6th too with all they have in the frontcourt. Eli Holman will be a beast at the 5 coming in from Indiana, and with Xavier Keeling and Thomas Kennedy as options at PF they'll be loaded there too. Calliste is a 3-star combo who will help out tremendously in the backcourt. I really can't see them finishing lower than 4th or 5th.
My guess:
1. Butler 2. Wright St. 3. Milwaukee 4. Detroit 5. Cleveland St. 6. Green Bay 7. Valpo 8. Youngstown 9. Loyola 10. UIC
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Oct 14, 2009 21:50:26 GMT -5
Detroit has a shot moving higher than 6th too with all they have in the frontcourt. Eli Holman will be a beast at the 5 coming in from Indiana. What exactly impresses you about Holman? The guy averaged 1 point and 1 rebound in his limited time at IU.
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Post by motowntitan on Oct 15, 2009 5:19:05 GMT -5
And he's probably one of the IU transfers that Eric Gordon was talking about that liked to puff the blunts daily. Actually, this is false. Those guys were kicked off the team when Dakich took over.
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Post by coogles on Oct 15, 2009 5:35:20 GMT -5
Detroit has a shot moving higher than 6th too with all they have in the frontcourt. Eli Holman will be a beast at the 5 coming in from Indiana. What exactly impresses you about Holman? The guy averaged 1 point and 1 rebound in his limited time at IU. Potential. No one in the Horizon League has his combination of size and athleticism. I honestly don't know if he has all the basketball skills, but at the very least he'll be a bear to get over/around on defense, and he'll clean up on the boards. He only saw action in six games, so I wouldn't put too much stock in his production during those limited minutes. Crean was expecting Holman to a be a big-time contributor for 08-09 before he took off for Detroit.
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Oct 15, 2009 6:17:48 GMT -5
Crean was expecting Holman to a be a big-time contributor for 08-09 before he took off for Detroit. Was that before or after he called local police to remove Holman from his office?
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Post by Raider Alumni on Oct 16, 2009 20:04:18 GMT -5
The HL is and always has been a guard dominated conference. Detroit isn't deep enough at guard to finish that high in the HL.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Oct 16, 2009 21:14:53 GMT -5
since i assume you are picking the raiders to win, title, does that mean you have butler third?? GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!
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