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Post by raiderland on Oct 21, 2009 18:56:52 GMT -5
2. A shooting guard is also a wing, and a small forward is not necessarily a wing. Al-Farouq Aminu plays the 3 for Wake Forest, but he's not really a wing. Same thing with Kyle Singler. Todd Brown will play the 3 for WSU, but I don't think there's anyone here who would call him a small forward. He and Hayward have very similar styles, one just happens to be taller than the other. I'm not the only one who thinks this way. www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12399263Not to nit-pick, but that article is not agreeing with your viewpoint. It is a list of shooting guards and wings, so Parrish sees them differently or else he would have just labeled it "wings". By his definition a wings are "small forwards and power forwards who are closer to being small forwards than centers"
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Post by Raider Country on Oct 21, 2009 19:42:56 GMT -5
Seriously, no one cares. Go back to your own board. I don't understand the fascination Butler fans have with going to every HL message board and sticking their noses in where they aren't wanted.
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Post by Raider Alumni on Oct 21, 2009 19:50:39 GMT -5
Hayward guards wings all the time. He came to Butler weighing 180 pounds...he doesn't guard heavier forwards. Veasley may be 6-3, but he actually played the 4 in Butler's system last year. Hayward's foot speed is fine and, if you had paid attention, you would have even seen him on the point occasionally. He's a perfect defensive matchup for a 6-5 wing because he's entirely capable of keeping up with them, with the additional benefit of extra length. Hayward guards wings all the time because he is a small forward. He isn't a guard. He stood at the top of the key many times last year. Sorry son, but that doesn't mean he played point guard. He never had to guard another team's point guard. If he would have had to guard a point guard or a real shooting guard, he would have got lost in their dust. He is very slow for a guard. That is why he plays small forward.
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Post by coogles on Oct 21, 2009 21:21:33 GMT -5
Seriously, no one cares. Go back to your own board. I don't understand the fascination Butler fans have with going to every HL message board and sticking their noses in where they aren't wanted. This is a general HL discussion and I've never once promoted Butler or put down WSU. If I were in here bashing WSU or spouting off about BU being the greatest thing ever then that would be one thing, but I'm not doing that. Anyway, everyone on Parrish's list is a wing. He's breaking down players in three categories: points/combos, wings, and big men. Whatever you want to call him, though, Hayward plays like a guard. He won't post anybody up, he struggles to fight through contact, and he doesn't play defense well in the post. Doesn't sound much like a forward to me. The label is whatever you want it to be.
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Post by Raider Alumni on Oct 21, 2009 21:34:11 GMT -5
Seriously, no one cares. Go back to your own board. I don't understand the fascination Butler fans have with going to every HL message board and sticking their noses in where they aren't wanted. This is a general HL discussion and I've never once promoted Butler or put down WSU. If I were in here bashing WSU or spouting off about BU being the greatest thing ever then that would be one thing, but I'm not doing that. Anyway, everyone on Parrish's list is a wing. He's breaking down players in three categories: points/combos, wings, and big men. Whatever you want to call him, though, Hayward plays like a guard. He won't post anybody up, he struggles to fight through contact, and he doesn't play defense well in the post. Doesn't sound much like a forward to me. The label is whatever you want it to be. Small forwards are wings. They don't post up. They play primarily on the outside, hence the term wing. Power forwards and centers play in the paint and are generally referred to as post players. NO ONE. Let me repeat that for you, NO ONE is calling Hayward a post player. He is a small forward. Since you like to post links. Here are a few for you: ESPN draft prospects: insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19368&draftyear=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnbadraft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fplayerId%3d19368%26draftyear%3d2010NBA draft express: www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gordon-Hayward-5514/NBA draft depot: www.nbadraftdepot.com/2009/03/draft-profile-butler-sf-gordon-hayward.htmlTHEY ALL LIST HAYWARD AS A SMALL FORWARD.
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Post by coogles on Oct 21, 2009 22:31:11 GMT -5
You're missing the point.
motowntitan mentions Howard and Hayward as evidence that forwards can carry a team and all I'm saying is that Gordon really doesn't play like a big man. In that team's offense, he plays like a guard, regardless of his title.
The discussion (at least the one I was hoping to have) is about whether big men are able to carry a team to a HL championship or not. Guys like Hansbrough, Thabeet, Blair, they all fit that mold. Hayward isn't the same type of player because he has a guard-like skillset.
My contention is that a big, dominating post presence with a serviceable backcourt could be enough to get the job done. That's why so many people think that Detroit could really put together something special this year. Eli Holman has potential, Xavier Keeling is coming back off of injury, Thomas Kennedy is back, plus they have a couple others to eat up space in the paint as well. Woody Payne is solid at point and Jason Calliste coming in could be enough to at least not be a liability as the frontcourt provides the bulk of the scoring.
If a team can bring in a excellent 7 footer with real offensive skills (not named Vandermeer), that player would be equally as valuable in the Horizon as he would be in any other conference, regardless of how typically guard-dominated this conference has been.
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Post by raiderland on Oct 21, 2009 22:49:56 GMT -5
Anyway, everyone on Parrish's list is a wing. He's breaking down players in three categories: points/combos, wings, and big men. Whatever you want to call him, though, Hayward plays like a guard. He won't post anybody up, he struggles to fight through contact, and he doesn't play defense well in the post. Doesn't sound much like a forward to me. The label is whatever you want it to be. Nope. His breakdowns are (1) Point guards and combo guards (2) Shooting guards and wings (3) Big forwards and centers www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/17771153Hence, the "and" clearly indicates that he is not classifying a shooting guard as a wing.
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Post by Raider Grad on Oct 22, 2009 20:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by Raider Grad on Oct 23, 2009 20:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by OG Raiderfan on Oct 24, 2009 19:02:56 GMT -5
Very informative preview. Thanks for posting it.
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Post by motowntitan on Oct 25, 2009 14:34:57 GMT -5
Very informative preview. Thanks for posting it. I agree. Besides the Blue Ribbon Yearbook, USA seemed to have done some homework regarding the league and players.
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Post by Raider Grad on Oct 26, 2009 8:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by Raider Rowdies on Oct 27, 2009 19:00:01 GMT -5
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Post by Raider4Life on Nov 3, 2009 15:26:05 GMT -5
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Post by Raider4Life on Nov 7, 2009 0:15:52 GMT -5
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