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Post by BasketBallJones on Sept 15, 2013 14:30:26 GMT -5
I've been an avid fan of this program for the last 20 years. I rarely missed a home game and took numerous road trips during that span. I can honestly say that I purposely missed several OOC games last year and will miss a few more this year than I did last year. Who wants to watch us play 2 games against D3 schools and a few more games against bottom feeder D1 programs with RPi's in the 300's. I'm sorry but the fans and players deserve better than this. I think we played tougher schedules than this back in our D2 days. Embarrassing is all I can say about this joke of a schedule.
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Post by wsutommygun on Sept 15, 2013 15:34:14 GMT -5
Some coaches will schedule all D-1 even if it hurts RPI. Billy has said ( and the league has said ) a few non D-1 games won't hurt RPI. I'm sure some would say in the end it will hurt because you don't get any credit. BBJ, many have said they will stay away. I'm just not sure that approach won't guarantee not being similar because a non-D1 costs about a third as a payout ( maybe BigD knows the difference and not sure how 1-for-1's work as far as any payouts so, there may be help if you could get those ). I understand the comments on the schedule, does anyone know when was the last season when nobody complained ( or, was that before message boards )?
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Post by Big D on Sept 15, 2013 16:30:28 GMT -5
Some coaches will schedule all D-1 even if it hurts RPI. Billy has said ( and the league has said ) a few non D-1 games won't hurt RPI. I'm sure some would say in the end it will hurt because you don't get any credit. BBJ, many have said they will stay away. I'm just not sure that approach won't guarantee not being similar because a non-D1 costs about a third as a payout ( maybe BigD knows the difference and not sure how 1-for-1's work as far as any payouts so, there may be help if you could get those ). I understand the comments on the schedule, does anyone know when was the last season when nobody complained ( or, was that before message boards )? Tommy, There are typically no payouts for 1 for 1 contracts. Some schools will offer hotel rooms or help with transportation to get a 1 for 1 signed but usually no money changes hands.
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Post by wsutommygun on Sept 15, 2013 17:43:14 GMT -5
Thanks BigD, I thought it might be like that for 1-for-1. I'd try that when possible but, don't know how either team will be in a year. I understand the non D-1 RPI argument but, I'd prefer not going that route ( over the years some have had a connection that made it easier to accept but, I'll be there anyway). I don't know why scheduling is hard ( but, I expect it is ).
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Post by Raider Alumni on Sept 15, 2013 17:50:10 GMT -5
Scheduling is usually hard because you are doing this dance with multiple schools all trying to put together a schedule that is in their best interest. This year it was extra hard for WSU and the rest of the HL because we were told to keep open a certain number of games for this year by LeCrone. We ended up adding Oakland to the HL for this season but we were trying to add at least 2 teams. When we ended up only adding Oakland everyone in the HL had to scramble to fill those games we were holding for potential other members.
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Post by BasketBallJones on Sept 15, 2013 21:23:01 GMT -5
Tommygun,we are a D1 program playing in a decent D1 conference. We should play an exclusive D1 schedule, period. I've heard all the other BS arguments about protecting our RPI, teams won't play us at home, ad nausem. I'm sick of hearing all of that crap. It's time for us to man up and play a decent schedule. Look at Oakland's schedule. They manned up. We need to do the same. There's an old saying. " If you want to catch big fish, you have to get out into deep water". Its time this program left the shallows.
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Post by rock70 on Sept 15, 2013 22:04:32 GMT -5
Tommygun,we are a D1 program playing in a decent D1 conference. We should play an exclusive D1 schedule, period. I've heard all the other BS arguments about protecting our RPI, teams won't play us at home, ad nausem. I'm sick of hearing all of that crap. It's time for us to man up and play a decent schedule. Look at Oakland's schedule. They manned up. We need to do the same. There's an old saying. " If you want to catch big fish, you have to get out into deep water". Its time this program left the shallows. I'll add my point of view for whatever it is worth. After seeing last year schedule I chose not to attend many games because of the competition. I didn't do it out of spite or anger just simply because I have a pretty hectic schedule and would miss several games a year anyway but with the weak nonconference schedule last year I only attended maybe 20% of our nonconference games but I did make all of our league games with the exception of one or two. After seeing this years schedule I can see myself doing the same thing. Not having a lot interest in the non-conference portion and going to most of the league games. I do have kids playing sports so that does play into the equation but if a crappy team is coming in on a school night the odds of me attending is slim to none. I love my Raiders but I can't afford to fork up the dollars they are asking to see below average competition.
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Post by wsutommygun on Sept 15, 2013 22:29:10 GMT -5
Rock70, that sounds fair but, too many others don't have enough respect for some of the opponents. I think there will be some good entertaining games in there. If the OOC helps get us set for league play and league play gets us ready for the conference tournament then who is to say it is a bad schedule. We won't know before the season starts. I enjoy the atmosphere ( players, spirit squads, band, students ). BBJ, I don't disagree about non D1 but, you have to convince Billy and maybe LeCrone ( since I think it should be a league wide policy ).
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Post by Rush the Court on Sept 17, 2013 11:10:14 GMT -5
I don't know if Donlon puts together the schedule, if Grant puts together the schedule or if it is a combination of the 2. Regardless, this schedule can only be seen as an epic failure. If Grant isn't involved in putting together the schedule, he needs to get involved and make sure this never happens again.
Putting together a solid schedule effects the program in so many ways as a whole.
1. A good OOC schedule will excite the fan base when you have a good team. You can average a couple of thousand more fans/students a game when you are playing teams with name recognition. That brings in more revenue which allows you to spend more on your program.
2. A good OOC schedule helps recruiting. Recruits want to go to a school with a winning basketball team that gets to the post season and plays teams they know about. They also want to play in front of a packed arena. Our schedule isn't going to fill the stands at the Nutter Center and it isn't going to excite any recruits.
3. A good OOC schedule prepares you for conference play and gives your team a shot for an at large bid if you don't win your conference tournament. Our current schedule does neither.
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Post by gerb on Sept 17, 2013 11:19:22 GMT -5
I don't know if Donlon puts together the schedule, if Grant puts together the schedule or if it is a combination of the 2. Regardless, this schedule can only be seen as an epic failure. If Grant isn't involved in putting together the schedule, he needs to get involved and make sure this never happens again. Putting together a solid schedule effects the program in so many ways as a whole. 1. A good OOC schedule will excite the fan base when you have a good team. You can average a couple of thousand more fans/students a game when you are playing teams with name recognition. That brings in more revenue which allows you to spend more on your program. 2. A good OOC schedule helps recruiting. Recruits want to go to a school with a winning basketball team that gets to the post season and plays teams they know about. They also want to play in front of a packed arena. Our schedule isn't going to fill the stands at the Nutter Center and it isn't going to excite any recruits. 3. A good OOC schedule prepares you for conference play and gives your team a shot for an at large bid if you don't win your conference tournament. Our current schedule does neither. Right. In terms of drawing fans, this schedule provides two things: The potential for more dunks/high-flying plays and a good w/l record heading into league play. That's it. It'll be very interesting to hear what is said at media day next month. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using proboards
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Post by mrose on Sept 17, 2013 12:46:53 GMT -5
Unless Billy was completely overhauled this off season, including marrying a super model, we'll be a far cry from Dunk City part deux. So, I'm not expecting high-flying dunks, but rather more of the same...games played in the 50's and 60's. Playing that style of ball, with the teams on our schedule, fans will stay away unless we start out 15-0. Then we'll have 8 and 9,000 show up...
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Post by wolf41 on Sept 17, 2013 13:30:50 GMT -5
If we start off 15-0 with this schedule the only W that will impress me will be the W at Georgetown. Right now I'd say I'll be interested in that game, our two MAC opponents, and our league games. I am ho-hum about the rest of the schedule. We are going to the DePaul game because they are a "name" school from a major conference( in which they are expected to finish dead last), our son and his family live in Chicago, Oliver Purnell is their coach, and we love visiting Chicago. We could go to the game at So. Ala. because that is one of three states I have yet to visit. Not a great reason, but it is kind of on my modest bucket list. Maybe next year we can schedule Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Another road trip I'll consider is the game at Morehead. They are a decent program like WSU and, I suspect, a prospective HL add.
But overall this schedule will not win us much respect in Dayton, OH let alone around the country.
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Post by mrose on Sept 17, 2013 14:46:23 GMT -5
You could just wait, Wolf41, and drive through Alabama on your way to Miss. next year when we return the game at Alcorn State. ;-)
Now, I'm sure if Alcorn State is a home-and-home or just a buy game, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a home-and-home series like the North Carolina A&T series. Does anyone know for sure?
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Post by raiders93 on Sept 18, 2013 14:52:20 GMT -5
I don't know if Donlon puts together the schedule, if Grant puts together the schedule or if it is a combination of the 2. Regardless, this schedule can only be seen as an epic failure. If Grant isn't involved in putting together the schedule, he needs to get involved and make sure this never happens again. Putting together a solid schedule effects the program in so many ways as a whole. 1. A good OOC schedule will excite the fan base when you have a good team. You can average a couple of thousand more fans/students a game when you are playing teams with name recognition. That brings in more revenue which allows you to spend more on your program. 2. A good OOC schedule helps recruiting. Recruits want to go to a school with a winning basketball team that gets to the post season and plays teams they know about. They also want to play in front of a packed arena. Our schedule isn't going to fill the stands at the Nutter Center and it isn't going to excite any recruits. 3. A good OOC schedule prepares you for conference play and gives your team a shot for an at large bid if you don't win your conference tournament. Our current schedule does neither. Right. In terms of drawing fans, this schedule provides two things: The potential for more dunks/high-flying plays and a good w/l record heading into league play. That's it. It'll be very interesting to hear what is said at media day next month. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using proboards Agree for the most part. I'll be there either way but as far as the program goes, this is no schedule to be amped about. We'll just have to see how it plays out.
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Post by Dr J on Sept 21, 2013 11:52:39 GMT -5
I am sitting and watching Ohio State vs Florida A&M. Looks like the stands are full. I am not thrilled with the schedule but will not boycott a game because of the opponent. I go to the games because I enjoy college basketball and to support the Wright State Raiders. We have to look at the schedule from both sides. I am sure a lot of Michigan State fans were upset at scheduling Wright State in 1999-2001. I hope we can make the best of this and support the players. .
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