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Post by ohiopirate on Jul 23, 2015 11:48:04 GMT -5
Home schedule dates:
Wednesday, November 25 - Mount St. Joseph Tuesday, December 1 - Albion College Friday, December 4th - Georgia State
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Post by mrose on Jul 23, 2015 14:37:25 GMT -5
meh.
Two Div. III schools. One-Third of our non-conference home schedule vs. D 3.
1/4 of the season will be played (8 games in) before WSU hosts their first D I program. Sad.
No thanks. I'll pass again on season tix.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Jul 23, 2015 15:46:42 GMT -5
Not to mention all of the home games except BGSU are on weekdays. 5 of 7 the road games on the weekend.
Also the game at UK is on four days rest after three games in three days....insult to injury.
Hopefully the conference schedule gives us a fair share of home Saturday/Sunday games. If you have 15 home games...it's nice to have a third to half of them on the weekend...so far, so not good.
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Post by raidergrad98 on Jul 23, 2015 16:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by Rush the Court on Jul 23, 2015 19:25:05 GMT -5
Two D3 teams is complete horse crap especially when the schedule is being released this early. We usually don't release the schedule until early September because we are trying to find games at the last minute. Hell, they didn't even make an attempt to find any D1 teams to fill out the schedule.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Jul 25, 2015 20:06:57 GMT -5
what I find interesting is that we announce a schedule with two really bad div iii teams and even amongst the most passionate of raiders fans it elicits barely a ripple of comment. i think about five fans have expressed unhappiness with this. we have what, maybe 2000 season ticket holders and only five. hopefully some folks are on the phone to wsu expressing dissatisfaction. but until they see season ticket holders rebel this crap will continue.
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Post by Raider Country on Jul 25, 2015 21:40:54 GMT -5
what I find interesting is that we announce a schedule with two really bad div iii teams and even amongst the most passionate of raiders fans it elicits barely a ripple of comment. i think about five fans have expressed unhappiness with this. we have what, maybe 2000 season ticket holders and only five. hopefully some folks are on the phone to wsu expressing dissatisfaction. but until they see season ticket holders rebel this crap will continue. A few corrections to the above comments. We had close to 2500 season tickets sold last year. Most of the fans that have expressed unhappiness with the schedule above are not season ticket holders, including you.
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Post by BasketBallJones on Jul 26, 2015 21:08:14 GMT -5
We are a D1 program. Playing non D1 teams denigrates the program. I've heard many local people joke about WSU's program, calling it Beavercreek Community College or other deraugatory terms. Playing D3 teams only reinforces that perception. Playing these games is total horse shit.
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Post by Big D on Jul 26, 2015 21:39:53 GMT -5
We are a D1 program. Playing non D1 teams denigrates the program. I've heard many local people joke about WSU's program, calling it Beavercreek Community College or other deraugatory terms. Playing D3 teams only reinforces that perception. Its total horse shit. And it isn't going to change anytime soon. We play 2 BS buy games against lower division schools for financial reasons. We don't have 13k fans at every game like the school across town. We cannot afford to buy games vs D1 schools especially ones that can bring in enough fans to cover the cost of buying a game against them. It's the reality of where we are at in the D1 world. I read an article about scheduling about a month ago and it said roughly 70% of D1 teams played non-d1 teams last year. BCS teams and teams from the next set of conferences down can afford buy games vs. other D1 teams. The majority of conferences cannot afford that especially with the cost of attendance money we will be giving to our basketball teams going forward. I hate that we play non-d1 teams. I have ranted about it for the last 10 years, but the reality is it isn't going to change.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Jul 27, 2015 10:39:56 GMT -5
you do realize don't you country, that those folks you seem to be disparaging because they are not season ticket holders who are complaining about this kind of crap are the very people the program should be trying to entice to come to games. instead they build a home non con schedule made up of 1/3 div iii teams which does absolutely nothing to attract casual fans, even those with ties to wsu. if most season ticket holders accept div iii opponents without complaint then you get what you deserve. have fun in a nutter center that is 3/4 empty seats.
big d, i do not think your two choices are the only choices. scheduling two quality mid majors for home and home, one starting at home and one on the road, would replace two div iii games. one quality opponent would bring in 5-6 k and more than make up for loss of a div iii game's revenue. not saying it would be easy. certainly easier to call up mount st. joe and albion . but it would help us be perceived better in this town. hoop fans in dayton are smart and know a good product when they see it. if we do not give it to them they will not come.
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Post by Big D on Jul 27, 2015 12:13:23 GMT -5
you do realize don't you country, that those folks you seem to be disparaging because they are not season ticket holders who are complaining about this kind of crap are the very people the program should be trying to entice to come to games. instead they build a home non con schedule made up of 1/3 div iii teams which does absolutely nothing to attract casual fans, even those with ties to wsu. if most season ticket holders accept div iii opponents without complaint then you get what you deserve. have fun in a nutter center that is 3/4 empty seats. big d, i do not think your two choices are the only choices. scheduling two quality mid majors for home and home, one starting at home and one on the road, would replace two div iii games. one quality opponent would bring in 5-6 k and more than make up for loss of a div iii game's revenue. not saying it would be easy. certainly easier to call up mount st. joe and albion . but it would help us be perceived better in this town. hoop fans in dayton are smart and know a good product when they see it. if we do not give it to them they will not come. Keith, your option doesn't bring in enough money because we are giving up one home game a year. You are making the assumption that we can schedule 2 teams that will bring in 5-6k each and that the revenue we would make from playing one of those games at home would be equal to the revenue we would get from playing 2 D3 games. We haven't been able to schedule too many OOC games recently that brought in those size crowds and even if we did, we would still be losing money compared to scheduling 2 D3 teams. A large part of the revenue basketball makes is off sponsorship. We get paid for ads by the number of games we play at home. If we play 1 less home game we get less ad money.
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Post by mrose on Jul 27, 2015 13:34:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's just bringing in quality opponents that will get 5-6K tickets sold. WSU has to win too--against decent D I opponents. Opening night last year was against Belmont. Not a household name to the casual fan, but to college basketball aficionados a consistently good program. For the home opener, on a Friday, WSU drew just over 5,400. I suspect the home opener, no matter who the opponent is, typically has a decent attendance.
The "name" school to visit last year was George Mason. They've been through a rough patch, struggling, but plays in a top-10 conference and was a media darling not too long ago with a trip to the Final Four. For that game, WSU had a crowd less than 4,700. Granted, that was on a Tuesday and just 2 days before Christmas. When that same terrible team came back to the area two months later the team down the street had nearly 13K tickets sold for a Wednesday evening contest.
I'm not privy to the ad $$ WSU brings in, but I would be surprised it's close to $75K + per game. So, maybe we should take another buy game. Have one less home game, but use the additional money to offset the lost ad revenue and with the remaining home game bring in a quality D I opponent instead of a crappy D 3 school. Take the money, after all, we're not playing for RPI. The HL is a one-bid conference. That additional buy game isn't going to determine if WSU gets an At-large bid or not. Seeding? meh. At this point in time, he HL is 13-14-15 Seed Conference.
I do have a question about these MTE's we play. What are the financials with those...Are we being paid? Is travel, hotel, and/or food comp. with the NIU tournament? There are no return games, so I'm guessing there's some $$ offset with these events. I'm not sure who the sponsor is or if there is one with NIU. Last year it was sponsored by Marriott, so I assume the teams had free lodging (food?). Anything else? They're not on TV, so unless we're being compensated somehow with more than free hotel rooms what's the point? I know these MTE's count as 1 game, but if that's it then why don't we host our own event?
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Post by Retired Coach on Jul 27, 2015 14:35:11 GMT -5
I do have a question about these MTE's we play. What are the financials with those...Are we being paid? Is travel, hotel, and/or food comp. with the NIU tournament? There are no return games, so I'm guessing there's some $$ offset with these events. I'm not sure who the sponsor is or if there is one with NIU. Last year it was sponsored by Marriott, so I assume the teams had free lodging (food?). Anything else? They're not on TV, so unless we're being compensated somehow with more than free hotel rooms what's the point? I know these MTE's count as 1 game, but if that's it then why don't we host our own event? We had a discussion about hosting a MTE at Wright State last year: wrightstate.proboards.com/thread/2810/wright-state-hosted-mteIn regards to finances, this is what I know from past tournaments. Travel, food, and lodging is almost always included. Each traveling school also gets some financial compensation. It usually ends up being what you would get for 1 buy game on the road.
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Post by mrose on Jul 27, 2015 15:34:25 GMT -5
Thanks, '79.
Maybe it's my Wright State education kicking in, but I must be missing something. Using this year as an example, if we took another buy game (total 3 on the road) and used that money to pay for hosting a 3 game MTE we would break-even. Also, might make a little extra $$ since the NCAA allows teams to play 4 games in MTE events. Aside from the cost/revenues being a wash WSU would pick up a net increase of 2 or possibly 3 home games.
That 3rd buy game would've replaced a date with one of the D III schools. We would still have the second D III school we could have replaced with a home-home with a good mid-major. If starting on the road, this year, we would have had an increase of 1 or possibly two more home games than what we currently have.
I know it's easier said than done, but certainly if USC Upstate and Northern Illinois could make these MTE events happen surely somebody at WSU could do this, right?
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Post by wolf41 on Jul 27, 2015 16:22:23 GMT -5
We use to host such events and the league tournaments. What I remember about them is the athletic staff complaint about the burden on them. So in that respect, it may be better to play these on the road and let their staff suffer while we fans get to travel.
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