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Post by Big D on Apr 4, 2017 19:29:27 GMT -5
RaiderFan, I can't answer that until we know who we are replacing Mark with on the roster. I never think it is good to lose a potential all conference player. I do think it will allow Coach Nagy to run his system the way he wants. I think it will allow us to play Mitchell at his natural position next year. We have 2 true PG coming in next year. Benzinger will start at SG. Mitchell will start at SF. Parker and Lou will split time in the paint. Our biggest need is still PF. If we add a decent PF and a wing to replace Mark I think we will be better off. If we don't utilize our open scholarships we aren't going to be very good.
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Post by raidergrad98 on Apr 4, 2017 20:19:15 GMT -5
Some may see points walking out the door. However, I choose also to see 136 turnovers, a lot of poor decision-making, and casual ball-handling walking out the door. Perhaps this is good for everyone, all-around. Best wishes to Mark if he feels like he's really ready for another opportunity when he's not finished this one having grown much as a player.
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2017 23:24:22 GMT -5
Dayton Daily News: Mark Alstork’s basketball career at Wright State appears to be over after the junior guard requested a release from his scholarship. A Wright State spokesman said the university will grant the request. “It wasn’t me walking in and telling (coach Scott Nagy) I wanted my release papers,” Alstork said. “It was more me listening to him and seeing what he had to say before making my decision. For me to pursue the career I want to, it was best to not be at Wright State. He didn’t think I would be branded as much as other places would brand me. “It was a tough decision because I’m from here and I wanted to be a part of the team that puts us back on the map,” he added. “I think I have a good chance of playing professionally. If I didn’t have that option, I would’ve been back at Wright State.” www.mydaytondailynews.com/sports/alstork-requests-release-from-wright-state/Gyxk0xmCWh0fMaPjYDfD6H/
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Post by Admin on Apr 4, 2017 23:28:51 GMT -5
Detroit Free Press: Wright State's Mark Alstork focused on NBA, could consider Michigan Mark Alstork’s mind is only in one place: the NBA. That’s the plan for the former Wright State guard, who declared for the NBA draft last week. “I’m really taking it as I’m going to the NBA draft and NBA team workouts and potentially get signed or get drafted that’s what I’m going to do,” he told the Free Press Tuesday. “But if not, I just want to have my options open and that’s why I got my release papers.” The “if not” is where Michigan can watch the potential grad transfer from a safe distance. Though U-M doesn’t currently have a scholarship to offer him, holding its only available one for five-star big man Mo Bamba, the Wolverines could be interested in experienced backcourt help, at some point. Whether Bamba chooses a different school or U-M loses DJ. Wilson or Moe Wagner to the NBA or there is other attrition, John Beilein’s ears were surely open. Beilein has contacted a number of graduate transfers in recent years, though none of them have panned out. The fit could be intriguing. Alstork is already familiar with U-M assistant Billy Donlon, Wright State's head coach in 2015-16. “Oh definitely, I’d look at Michigan,” Alstork said, repeating if the NBA wasn’t going to work out this year. “I know they’re a high major, I know they made it to the (Sweet 16). As soon as we were out, I told everybody, I’m (rooting) for Coach D, I’m going for Michigan and I know Derrick Walton and Zak Irvin.” Playing for Donlon just a year ago, that bond is still fresh. “I love how coach Donlon is, the person that he is and the type of situation he’s in, I’m very glad for him,” Alstork said. www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2017/04/04/michigan-wolverines-basketball-mark-alstork-nba-draft/100051390/
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Post by paulkris on Apr 5, 2017 7:30:07 GMT -5
I have to say that from a strictly on-court basis I'm ambivalent about his decision. It was always 50-50 which player you were going to get at any given moment on the court. f his decisions helped get you in the hole by 15 by half time his ability to mount a comeback with 6 minutes to play balanced it out. From a team chemistry standpoint I'm relieved by his decision.
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Post by BasketBallJones on Apr 5, 2017 7:46:58 GMT -5
After reading the DDN Article, it sounds like Nagy was at least a catalyst in Mark's decision to leave, or possibly even asking him to leave.
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Post by twizman on Apr 5, 2017 9:06:13 GMT -5
This whole thing is so strange. And now Billy Donlon might help steal Alstork away to Michigan? Jeez.
No way Nagy pushed a 19 ppg scorer out the door. I have beachfront property available in Beavercreek if you believe that. We will know the real story one day. What we are getting right now is NOT the real story, IMO.
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Post by mrose on Apr 5, 2017 10:14:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure I would characterize it as Nagy pushing Mark out the door. Perhaps coach just told him where the door was at if Mark didn't agree to buying into Nagy's system 100%.
And don't get too hung up on him averaging 19 ppg. If one looked at the advanced analytics they would see Mark had -0.5 BPM (Box plus/Minus) for the season and in conference games his Defensive Rating was 104.8 compared to his Offensive Rating of 101.7. In other words, per 100 possessions Mark produced 101.7 points, but on defense he allowed 104.8 points.
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Post by gerb on Apr 5, 2017 10:54:14 GMT -5
Just starting this to get the topic away from the mbb news thread, since it'll likely be mostly speculation/opinion from here.
Having said that...
At the most basic, we're speculating on two things here: what happens to Mark and what happens to the program now that he's leaving.
Looking into my crystal ball, I predict Mark being in Europe after spending his last year of eligibility at another school. Scouts had said earlier this year that he gets too easily frustrated and that shows in game film. He's from a middle-of-the-pack program and he's not going to put up off-the-charts numbers at the combine, so he'll be back on the transfer market, end up as the 1 or 2 option at a major school, and get a nice contract playing in France or Spain or Finland. Nagy isn't the coach he signed up for when he transferred, so I don't blame him for looking elsewhere. However, he'd have never put up the scoring numbers playing Billy ball. He'd never be in the position to make this call. Now that he is, though, and the player-coach chemistry isn't there, I can see his point of view on this.
I'm obviously sitting in a very different place than the scouts, coaches, players, etc, but after following this team and it's players, I don't think we're at as big a talent defecit as it seems. In the lead-up to the All-league team announcements, no one on our board was talking about Alstork as a first teamer because he was a.) one dimensional and b.) streaky. All the talk was on Mitchell and Benzinger for being leaders while Mark was in a lot of fans' dog houses for being a ball hog. Mark rode a nice wave over the first few games as one of the top scorers in the nation because no one knew how to scout such a different looking team and new system. Who would have predicted a guy who had averaged 12.4 the previous year would charge out of the gate like that? He blew up for 30, 29, 39, and 24 in the first four D-1 games and got some well-deserved press for it. The next five games, once scouting reports got out, he shot under 24% from the field and contributed role player stats in every other category. The rest of the season continued with good, not great, scoring with spikes in both directions from game to game. I was really, really surprised when he was announced as a first teamer because his defining skill of shooting is so streaky and he had a defecit in plenty of other areas. His ego got in our way several times and cost us leads/games. Yes, he was high in the league scoring list, but he wasn't near the top in other categories.
Anyway, this isn't meant to be a bash session on the guy. He was obviously an important part of this year's team, but I don't think he'll be irreplaceable. Our real pillars are Benzinger and Mitchell. Those are the guys to build around right now. Grant now becomes the primary scorer and Mitchell will be a little more freed up with the addition of a true pg at the end of fall.
Winchester, coming in as a redshirt, is a scorer who got to the line a bunch as a high schooler. Granted, he will be a freshman, but we won't be at a 100% defecit to start. Nagy is now bringing in players that fit his system. We had one surprisingly good year using a shallow bench. Now the real process begins.
I wish Mark all the luck, but I'm not 100% worried about his absence.
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Post by mrose on Apr 5, 2017 12:11:15 GMT -5
Mitchell's BPM was 1.9. His Offensive Rating was 105.7 and his Defensive Rating was 98.5
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Post by twizman on Apr 5, 2017 16:07:26 GMT -5
I just have a hard time believing Justin Mitchell is a better player than Mark Alstork, but I also believe in advanced analytics, so that is definitely interesting to hear. I would buy it a bit more if Mitchell had any type of outside shooting ability. He's very good in all other areas (although he should not be playing PG and at least now he won't have to any longer).
I just think it's spin-doctoring for any of us to downplay the Raiders losing a 19 ppg scorer. Those don't come around very often -- especially here at WSU. Maybe Nagy will produce a lot of them. Time will tell. But this one stings big time right now. I take back what I said about us being "awful" next season. But I can't see us being very good. We might be OK. Another "meh" season most likely, which is a shame because we had a chance to be really good. Then the news about S.Davis ... and now the news about Alstork.
Oh well, did you hear our baseball team is 19-7 and 9-0 in HL play? (Ha, sorry, just trying to say something positive.)
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Post by Big D on Apr 5, 2017 18:03:35 GMT -5
This whole thing is so strange. And now Billy Donlon might help steal Alstork away to Michigan? Jeez. No way Nagy pushed a 19 ppg scorer out the door. I have beachfront property available in Beavercreek if you believe that. We will know the real story one day. What we are getting right now is NOT the real story, IMO. Last year when Nagy and Alstork met, Alstork wanted to run the offense. Nagy gave him a shot letting him work out at PG all summer and into the fall before he moved him back to SF because he was making poor decisions with the ball. When they met this year, Mark once again said he wanted the offense to run through him to improve his chances at a pro career. Nagy let him know that wasn't going to happen. We have 2 true PGs next year to run our offense. Mark is leaving because Nagy won't cater to him. It's my understanding that Nagy is perfectly happy with Mark leaving. We are Wright State, not the Mark Alstork show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 18:11:18 GMT -5
This whole thing is so strange. And now Billy Donlon might help steal Alstork away to Michigan? Jeez. No way Nagy pushed a 19 ppg scorer out the door. I have beachfront property available in Beavercreek if you believe that. We will know the real story one day. What we are getting right now is NOT the real story, IMO. Last year when Nagy and Alstork met, Alstork wanted to run the offense. Nagy gave him a shot letting him work out at PG all summer and into the fall before he moved him back to SF because he was making poor decisions with the ball. When they met this year, Mark once again said he wanted the offense to run through him to improve his chances at a pro career. Nagy let him know that wasn't going to happen. We have 2 true PGs next year to run our offense. Mark is leaving because Nagy won't cater to him. It's my understanding that Nagy is perfectly happy with Mark leaving. We are Wright State, not the Mark Alstork show. This is good to hear. I didn't take Nagy as a man to entertain theatrics when the roster is shallow for quick but unsustainable wins. Good to see he is dedicated to building HIS team and not Mark's and isn't phased to show our highest scorer the door if he doesn't care to step in line. Thanks, D
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Post by hhgreen on Apr 6, 2017 8:56:01 GMT -5
Don't believe the coach liked the theatrics of Mark. When Nagy pulled him out after a couple stupid turnovers you could see he was not mad at himself, he was angry at the coach for putting him on the bench. Hopefully he finds a team that wants that kind of demeanor and flow their offense through him like he wants. Hopefully he gets to the NBA and makes the millions he wants.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Apr 6, 2017 21:43:02 GMT -5
I just stumbled upon an article linked on twitter that said Alstork has been contacted by over a dozen power conference schools.
Being a UM fan, obviously that's my firstchoice. But Baylor, OkSt, Pitt, &Georgia Tech were just a few of the ones listed.
Mark can score. But he's terribly inconsistent. He reminds me of Dashaun Wood a little bit when he's on, but when he's off, he might as well be playing intermural in Mclin.
I don't think he gets drafted. Maybe he signs a D-league contract, but that's the ceiling as of now in my eyes.
I'm disappointed we've seen the end of the Alstork era, but I'm not surprised. I share the worry about our backcourt moving forward. I guess this is a good time to enstill some confidence in coach.
We can all agree we were leaps and bounds better than we thought we would be this year. Hopefully the ship can continue to be righted.
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