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Post by wsutommygun on Mar 29, 2017 6:44:34 GMT -5
My concern isn't whether or not there are cuts to the athletic budget. My wants are to make sure any WSU team is given whatever is necessary to succeed. This may not be the place to discuss if that means a top 50 basketball team...I want to be an elite team in the HL, at least.
The school has made a commitment to men's basketball, I'd hate to hear that recruiting or scheduling is taking a hit.
I don't have a problem with getting things back in line but, don't underestimate the need to have men's basketball being as important as anything else there.
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Post by gerb on Mar 29, 2017 9:03:58 GMT -5
I think your math is maybe leaving out a thing or two here. Yes, it will cut scholarships, which I will trust you in saying it equals $35k. How much does the coach make? How much are travel expenses? Tutoring? Equipment? Administrative resources that could lighten the workload and free up another desk?
Often when a program is cut (though I'm not sure this will be the case here), athletes currently in the program can keep at least part of the scholarship for the remainder of their time at the institution.
The fact remains, WSU is an academic institution. Every department in some way feeds into that. Every single department will have to take a cut to make this work and if golf is all that goes from Athletics (though I'm certain everything else will take a budgetary hit), then they're probably getting off light.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 9:08:04 GMT -5
I think your math is maybe leaving out a thing or two here. Yes, it will cut scholarships, which I will trust you in saying it equals $35k. How much does the coach make? How much are travel expenses? Tutoring? Equipment? Administrative resources that could lighten the workload and free up another desk? Often when a program is cut (though I'm not sure this will be the case here), athletes currently in the program can keep at least part of the scholarship for the remainder of their time at the institution. The fact remains, WSU is an academic institution. Every department in some way feeds into that. Every single department will have to take a cut to make this work and if golf is all that goes from Athletics (though I'm certain everything else will take a budgetary hit), then they're probably getting off light. I'm not sure where I saw the $35,000 number. Might have been someone on here, might have been in the news report. I think you're right. Should cost more than that as a program in it's whole. BG maybe offering that whole program up to protect the other programs and still be able to say they sacrificed. I'm starting a new thread so this one can remain about the president
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Post by mrose on Mar 29, 2017 10:14:31 GMT -5
I don't like WSU being in any league that they can't field teams that have conference championships. The league title in baseball doesn't mean that much to me since not everyone has baseball. It's still sweet to get the automatic bid by winning the HL tourney but, it would mean more if there were more teams participating. There have been years when I knew someone playing golf and I paid some attention. It would be a shame to lose it. At the last coach's show, Bob Grant told us about the budget and the success of WSU having so many teams playing for a championship final in the preceding 12 months. At the time it included men's basketball but, baseball was the only one that came out a winner for an automatic bid. Anyway, BG said something about being the Ohio D1 team with the lowest athletic budget ( based on a percentage, I think ) and 2nd to last in the league ( to Green Bay ). Something like that can chip away at whatever you hope as far as competing over the long haul. If golf is the only casualty then we'll see where we stand. I wish the best for anyone that gets hurt by any cuts. I've said many times, if you are D1 then act like it. At least, try to keep up with others in the league if not a top 10 conference. I'm sure I would disagree with what it takes to be a D1 program because I believe we have an obligation to field the HL sponsored sports. I agree with your sentiment, tommy, 100%. Especially about having every member participate in every sport the conference has a championship. Unfortunately, that's just not inline with reality...the reality of living in a world where Title IX rules. For instance, in the HL the only men's sport where all members participate is basketball. That's right...Of the 9 men's championships in the HL only men's hoops is fully participated by the members. Of the 10 women's championships HL membership fully participates in 4 (Basketball, cross county, soccer, and tennis). But it's not just the HL that lives in this reality. Pretty much all conference live in a world distorted by Title IX. For example, the SEC only has full participation in 4 of their 9 men's sports (Baseball, Basketball, Golf, and you guessed it--FOOTBALL). Yet the SEC doesn't even participate in the world's most popular sport of all--Men's soccer. hmm. The Big XII is similar. No men's soccer and Iowa State doesn't field a baseball team due to Title IX. Of the Big Ten's 14 men's championships only 4 sports are fully participated (Basketball, Football, Golf, and Wrestling). The irony is, and this goes to RaiderFan's comment that WSU is first and foremost an academic institution that trumps athletics, the IVY League...yes the IVY, has more league championships than any other D I conference. AND, it is the ONLY league that has more men's championships (17) than women championships (16). It also has the highest percentage of members participating in every league sport. There's a point to my morning opine and it ties into the new president...And yes, I know financially there's a world of difference between the IVY and 90% of D I programs. There's more than just a monetary value that can be attached to fielding a competitive sport. There's an intrinsic value that comes along to an institution that competes at the highest level. It's based in reality, but perception carries weight. IMHO, I believe the intrinsic value and perception of competing at the highest level is more desirable than symbolism or a simple symbolic gesture. In this case cutting golf. I understand the view by some everyone including athletics needs to have skin in the game--that the pain needs to be shared by all, but it will take more than dozens of symbolic gestures at $35k to get to $25 million. It will take 714 $35K symbolic gestures to get to $25,000,000.00. From the limited information I've gathered about the new President I sense she shares a similar view as mine. That athletics is more than just a desirable option to be extended when convenient and taken away when faced with challenges. I believe, at least I hope, she understands it's more than just a balance sheet with credits and debits--That there is value to the institution not scored on a balance sheet. She's facing a difficult task when she gets here...Lots of painful decisions need to be made. I understand it's easier for the axe man to be the bad guy..the hated guy...but there are some decisions I believe need to be left to her. I know it's a timing issue, but if golf is on the chopping block I believe that is one of those decisions she needs to make. If everyone is going to have skin in the game then she needs to start dipping in toes in the hot water...
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Post by mrose on Mar 29, 2017 10:44:31 GMT -5
I think your math is maybe leaving out a thing or two here. Yes, it will cut scholarships, which I will trust you in saying it equals $35k. How much does the coach make? How much are travel expenses? Tutoring? Equipment? Administrative resources that could lighten the workload and free up another desk? Often when a program is cut (though I'm not sure this will be the case here), athletes currently in the program can keep at least part of the scholarship for the remainder of their time at the institution. The fact remains, WSU is an academic institution. Every department in some way feeds into that. Every single department will have to take a cut to make this work and if golf is all that goes from Athletics (though I'm certain everything else will take a budgetary hit), then they're probably getting off light. That $35K came from me. It's probably a bit low. It's net difference of the cost of scholarships and the $35K the school gets from the NCAA in their 14+ sponsored sports fund. I didn't factor in the coach or assistant's salary. I'm not sure, but I believe they are volunteers. At worst they earn a minimal salary. Pete, the head coach, is a CFO at a local company and also owns a couple of eatery franchises. Brian, the asst. coach, works full-time at a construction company. Travel expenses and food/lodging are minimal costs. All the other costs remain equal. If the golf team has their own tutors, exclusive admin assistants, gym, etc., we can factor those costs in, but I'm 100% sure the WSU golf team isn't at that level. That said, cutting a team can result in indirect cuts to admin resources. Perhaps Grant has identified others he can cut in the department by letting golf go... EDIT: The latest salary database (FY 2015) shows the total salary of the head coach and asst. coach was less than $20K....combined.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 9:25:49 GMT -5
For those of you who don't know a ton about her, we're getting an absolute gem in Schrader. She turned Missouri S&T into one of the top 25 return on investment schools in the country according to numerous national sources, on lists among MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Dartmouth, as well as others. Also, it is among the top rated science and technology universities in the country. She is leaving that...for us. If that doesn't tell ya something, I don't know what would. We are in good hands with this one.
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Post by Raider Alumni on Jul 1, 2017 8:53:49 GMT -5
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Post by Raider Alumni on Jul 1, 2017 8:54:24 GMT -5
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Post by Willie on Jul 4, 2017 8:45:41 GMT -5
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Post by Raider Alumni on Jul 6, 2017 17:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by Raider Alumni on Jul 6, 2017 17:54:44 GMT -5
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Post by Hoops Junkie on Aug 5, 2017 12:01:44 GMT -5
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Post by mrose on Aug 6, 2017 11:16:39 GMT -5
Nothing new there with the exception June now has 31 days. Schrader said she sees athletics as a way to tell a positive story for Wright State. She mentioned how success full college athletes tend to be in their careers after college and how most of them have higher grade point averages
Hmm. She sat down with members of the DDN and that article is the best they could collectively produce. Back in the day that piece would have earned me a D- in Business Writing. Today it gets the media a highlighted piece in the Sunday edition. SMH.
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