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Post by wsuraider09 on Jan 28, 2021 17:52:01 GMT -5
I don't see one iota of value in using SOS for this ranking. Oakland leads the league in SOS at 129 per this site: www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/schedule-strength-by-otherBut that ranking is because they played 7 OOC games, but lost them all by double digits. That's done nothing but bury their NET ranking and our entire conference's ranking. Why reward that for postseason seeding? FWIW, Detroit is #2 with a whopping one OOC win (vs. WMU). Just questioning the rationale of the league office, but that's nothing unusual around here. |
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Post by refrigeratorraider on Jan 28, 2021 18:28:49 GMT -5
I don't see one iota of value in using SOS for this ranking. Oakland leads the league in SOS at 129 per this site: www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/schedule-strength-by-otherBut that ranking is because they played 7 OOC games, but lost them all by double digits. That's done nothing but bury their NET ranking and our entire conference's ranking. Why reward that for postseason seeding? FWIW, Detroit is #2 with a whopping one OOC win (vs. WMU). Just questioning the rationale of the league office, but that's nothing unusual around here. I could be wrong, but I was thinking they might be basing all metrics, including strength of schedule, solely on conference games to try to balance out the unbalanced schedules. Any team that doesn't play Wright State or Cleveland State would have a much easier conference schedule whereas any team that plays 4+ games against the two would end up getting punished under traditional standings. |
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Post by Love and Raider Basketball on Jan 28, 2021 19:25:41 GMT -5
We’ve got a plan for a tournament, so I’m not going to complain about the specifics. Was really worried they weren’t going to have one this year.
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Post by ohiopirate on Jan 29, 2021 7:22:33 GMT -5
I don't see one iota of value in using SOS for this ranking. Oakland leads the league in SOS at 129 per this site: www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/schedule-strength-by-otherBut that ranking is because they played 7 OOC games, but lost them all by double digits. That's done nothing but bury their NET ranking and our entire conference's ranking. Why reward that for postseason seeding? FWIW, Detroit is #2 with a whopping one OOC win (vs. WMU). Just questioning the rationale of the league office, but that's nothing unusual around here. I could be wrong, but I was thinking they might be basing all metrics, including strength of schedule, solely on conference games to try to balance out the unbalanced schedules. Any team that doesn't play Wright State or Cleveland State would have a much easier conference schedule whereas any team that plays 4+ games against the two would end up getting punished under traditional standings. That makes a lot of sense for SOS |
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Post by BasketBallJones on Jan 30, 2021 21:29:38 GMT -5
Quite frankly, l don't think it really matters what seed the Raiders get going into the tournament unless it would somehow drop below #4. This team is head and shoulders above any other team in the HL, except for the possibility or UIC. And I only say that because I haven't seen UIC play yet. Regardless, if this team plays up to it's potential and takes care of the basketball, they should win the HL Tournament and get the HL's bid into the Dance.
To back up my point, both Bleacher Report and Joe Lunardi's Bracketology have our Raiders projected as a #13 seed in the tournament. This team has the talent and ability to crack the " Glass Ceiling " and win a game or more in the NCAA Tournament. Go Raiders!
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Post by raiderrunt on Jan 31, 2021 0:39:18 GMT -5
Quite frankly, l don't think it really matters what seed the Raiders get going into the tournament unless it would somehow drop below #4. This team is head and shoulders above any other team in the HL, except for the possibility or UIC. And I only say that because I haven't seen UIC play yet. Regardless, if this team plays up to it's potential and takes care of the basketball, they should win the HL Tournament and get the HL's bid into the Dance. To back up my point, both Bleacher Report and Joe Lunardi's Bracketology have our Raiders projected as a #13 seed in the tournament. This team has the talent and ability to crack the " Glass Ceiling " and win a game or more in the NCAA Tournament. Go Raiders! Well said, you posted exactly what I was going to say about the HL Tourney seeding. |
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Post by nomeara on Jan 31, 2021 3:35:36 GMT -5
We do want that NIT bid to fall back on though. I know that most people think anything except a NCAA appearance is considered a disappointment but I disagree because a single NIT win would do wonders for the program as well. Maybe not what we want, but we aren’t in a position to complain about an NIT bid. Thoughts?
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Post by Big D on Jan 31, 2021 9:51:21 GMT -5
We do want that NIT bid to fall back on though. I know that most people think anything except a NCAA appearance is considered a disappointment but I disagree because a single NIT win would do wonders for the program as well. Maybe not what we want, but we aren’t in a position to complain about an NIT bid. Thoughts? I honestly don't know if they will even have an NIT this year. That being said, I agree with you that I want that option to win the HL regular season to have the auto bid to the NIT in our back pocket. We obviously want the NCAA tournament bid, but we can't be snobs about getting into legit post season play that was earned. I still have the long term hope that Wright State is going to get our finances together and I want us to keep building our resume to get an invite to a better conference. Getting into the NCAAs obviously looks best on our resume, but the NIT looks better than no post season play or buying our way into the CIT or one of those other pay to play tournaments. |
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Post by refrigeratorraider on Feb 1, 2021 12:41:54 GMT -5
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Post by refrigeratorraider on Feb 1, 2021 12:52:24 GMT -5
One thing I noticed is it seems there is a heavy emphasis on the number of games played. Green Bay(5-9), Purdue Fort Wayne(5-9), and Youngstown State(4-10) are all ahead of Detroit Mercy and UIC, both 5-5. I know YSU has played a tough schedule so far, but that doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by gerb on Feb 1, 2021 12:58:58 GMT -5
One thing I noticed is it seems there is a heavy emphasis on the number of games played. Green Bay(5-9), Purdue Fort Wayne(5-9), and Youngstown State(4-10) are all ahead of Detroit Mercy and UIC, both 5-5. I know YSU has played a tough schedule so far, but that doesn't make sense to me. On the women’s side, NKU is undefeated and sitting in third place. Milwaukee and Wright State are #1 and #2 with a couple of losses each after having played more than twice as many games. I don’t know who the record are against, but 12-2 seems to have earned it more than 6-0 at this point. |
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Post by wsuraider09 on Feb 1, 2021 16:35:56 GMT -5
The league needs to show the workings of this, plain and simple. All we can do is win. I assume the one additional conference loss is keeping us at 2, but it'd still be nice to see the math.
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Post by wsu95 on Feb 5, 2021 20:52:08 GMT -5
The HL should change their tournament format in the future and only allow teams with a winning conference record to participate in the tournament.
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Post by nomeara on Feb 6, 2021 2:28:55 GMT -5
Is that just something that popped into your head for 2 seconds or do you have some reasoning behind it? The tournament would last 2 days and I think a bunch of recruits/current players would back out and commit elsewhere. I get that the HL should want its best team in the dance but you are basically saying upsets aren’t fun to see. That’s just my thoughts on it though I like new ideas and especially ones that benefit the Raiders but this one would crumble the league.
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Post by Big D on Feb 6, 2021 8:23:11 GMT -5
Is that just something that popped into your head for 2 seconds or do you have some reasoning behind it? The tournament would last 2 days and I think a bunch of recruits/current players would back out and commit elsewhere. I get that the HL should want its best team in the dance but you are basically saying upsets aren’t fun to see. That’s just my thoughts on it though I like new ideas and especially ones that benefit the Raiders but this one would crumble the league. Well, I cannot speak for him, but I have thought about it for at least 3 seconds so I’ll give you my thoughts on why his suggestion makes sense. 1. It does give the teams in the league we want to represent the HL in the NCAAs a better chance to win the tournament. If IUPUI got hot in the HL tournament and won the auto bid they would be a 16 seed or in the play in game. They would be a one and done and the HL would get 1 share of NCAA tournament money from it. If WSU represents the HL we are projected to be a 12 seed and actually have a chance to win a game which would increase the HL’s tournament money to 2 shares. That’s more revenue and exposure for the whole conference. 2. It helps the top teams with their resume. If you eliminate the first 2 rounds of the HL tournament WSU wouldn’t have to play 2 Shitty HL teams again that will only hurt our NET which only hurts our NCAA seeding. 3. It gives the middle of the pack HL teams incentive to play harder during the regular season. If you watch conference games right now, WSU and CSU are the only 2 programs playing like they have any reason to give a shit and they are. Winning the conference matters. Everyone else is going through the motions just waiting for the HL tournament to begin. It doesn’t matter if they finish the season 4-12 or 8-8 because all that matters to them is if they can get hot for 4 days in March in the HL tournament. Going to the NCAA tournament with a 4-12 or 8-8 record is still going to get them a 16 seed so it doesn’t matter to them at all. Knowing that they aren’t even eligible for the HL tournament if they don’t finish above.500 is good incentive to play harder. 4. In regards to your comment about recruiting and how this would effect the rest of the HL, I think that is a bunch of horse crap. There are a lot of conferences that only include their top “X” number of teams in their conference tournament. The Ivy League doesn’t even have a conference tournament. Their regular season champ represents the league in the NCAAs. That doesn’t affect recruiting in those conferences. If somehow it truly hurts the bottom feeders in the HL, GOOD. Maybe it will force some of them to get off their asses and try to improve their programs instead of riding on the coattails of the top teams in the league. We should not be worried about pissing off the IUPUIs of the conference. We should be trying to find ways to reward the WSUs of the conference for trying to be elite. |
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