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Post by Title on Jan 24, 2021 21:24:09 GMT -5
We are 1/2 way through the HL season and there still has not been an official word from the HL if we are having a HL tournament this year. My concern is that they might just decide to give the HL's automatic bid to the regular season champ and as of today that isn't us. what does everyone think. Will we/won't we have a HL tournament this year?
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Post by vandaliaraider on Jan 24, 2021 21:38:17 GMT -5
I am hearing it is going to happen. Hearing top four teams will get first round bye and have their first game at home. Still will be only four teams to Indy, but no two game bye with addition of PFW and Robert Morris. Also, heard something that seeding could be done by NET since NCAA is going to that.
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Post by refrigeratorraider on Jan 24, 2021 22:11:17 GMT -5
I’m guessing the league is holding off announcing anything since things could change a lot in the next month. If fans can’t attend the tournament, it’s not that important for a public announcement yet. With the completely unbalanced schedules, where some teams play each other 4+ times and at least 2 other teams not at all, and how some teams will play the full 20 games while others are well short of 20, I don’t see the bid being handed out based on the regular season.
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Post by freewind on Jan 25, 2021 8:14:36 GMT -5
This will end in disaster, guaranteed. Being top 4 is huge. Most people wont debate Wright State and Cleveland State, but then let the fun begin. By Win Pct, it's UIC & Milwaukee. By NET? It's Milwaukee....and Detroit. Let that sink in. RPI? Oakland and Milwaukee (Barely, only 1 place above YSU). Ken Pom? Detroit and Milwaukee. I wouldn't be surprised if the League waits until the last week to release the format and hope whatever they come up with makes sense, because of right now, they're going to take heat most likely regardless how they roll.
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Post by wsuraider09 on Jan 25, 2021 8:25:09 GMT -5
I cannot fathom a reasonable explanation to go to the NET rankings for conference tournament seeding. That's idiotic and pulls in information from your out of conference schedule, and how the teams you beat and lost to fared on the season. Sure, it probably ends up giving us the number one seed, but that isn't right. Conference win-loss should be the sole determination, and they should change nothing about the tiebreaking process or seeding.
I think what will be more interesting is figuring out the proper way to handle teams that have only played 7 or 8 games of the conference season while you should have 12 under your belt. What will be MORE interesting to watch is if any teams have positive cases in the games leading up to the season and are eliminated because of protocols. Imagine if WSU or CSU had to stop games in the last week of the season; if we roll right into conference play, one, or potentially both of your top teams are forced out. Yikes.
I like the idea of having a home game, but that clearly means a lot less than normal, and both WSU and CSU have shown they are capable of taking a loss at home to inferior opponents. Just glad to hear that the scale is tipping towards having a conference tournament. I like our chances of a neutral site game with generally higher quality officials than the typical HL scum we see night in and night out.
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Post by refrigeratorraider on Jan 25, 2021 10:09:07 GMT -5
The source for the rumors for the tournament is Greg Kampe. He talked about some of this on his radio show and briefly on a postgame. He says all 12 teams can participate. The top 4 get a bye and home game. He says the seedings are based on some mathematical formula that is based on number of games played, strength of schedule, record of opponents, road/home, etc. He doesn't say it is the NET (but that doesn't mean it is not). I'm not sure if this formula will include non-conference or just conference games.
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Post by Love and Raider Basketball on Jan 25, 2021 11:08:20 GMT -5
I'm also glad there seems to be more smoke in the "have a conference tournament" camp.
I'm for a slimmed down version of the tournament this year to limit exposure. Have a weekend bubble tournament 2-3 days, 4 teams. I'd hate to see our automatic qualifier get racked with COVID right before the NCAA tournament so the less exposure the better IMO. But any tournament is better than none at all so won't be too picky.
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Post by wsuairstrike on Jan 25, 2021 14:40:27 GMT -5
The Horizon league needs to adapt like other mid majors. Hl should only allow the top 5 teams in the tournament with the first getting a bye. Regardless of a pandemic or not. What doesn't make sense is having the first or second team not make the ncaa tournament. They really should make it as hard as possible for that not to happen.
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Post by vandaliaraider on Jan 28, 2021 11:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by wsuraider09 on Jan 28, 2021 12:38:30 GMT -5
So, we're having a tournament. Yay. Here's the most important part of the release:
Due to the unbalanced nature of the Horizon League schedule because of COVID-19, this season the championship will be seeded utilizing a formula that considers four factors: League winning percentage, strength of schedule, weighting road wins vs. home wins and number of League games played. The HL will provide weekly updates on seeding after each weekend’s games and will announce the final seeding for the championship after the end of the regular season on Saturday, Feb. 20.
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Post by gerb on Jan 28, 2021 13:22:10 GMT -5
So, we're having a tournament. Yay. Here's the most important part of the release: Due to the unbalanced nature of the Horizon League schedule because of COVID-19, this season the championship will be seeded utilizing a formula that considers four factors: League winning percentage, strength of schedule, weighting road wins vs. home wins and number of League games played. The HL will provide weekly updates on seeding after each weekend’s games and will announce the final seeding for the championship after the end of the regular season on Saturday, Feb. 20. I can just imagine the back-and-forth on the conference calls to try to make a formula out of that. |
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Post by raidergrad98 on Jan 28, 2021 13:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by ohiopirate on Jan 28, 2021 13:44:11 GMT -5
Good luck with the transparency of that formula. I assume the #1 seed using this formula will also get the automatic NIT spot as well?
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Post by kingnebwsu on Jan 28, 2021 13:49:01 GMT -5
Good luck with the transparency of that formula. I assume the #1 seed using this formula will also get the automatic NIT spot as well? I would assume that as well. The way this whole season is I'm trying to not get worked up over seeding. Cancellations could happen with WSU & Cleveland State down the stretch that could affect the final standings. As a fan I'm not looking at the NIT this year so the seeding shouldn't matter as much. |
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Post by raiderlifer on Jan 28, 2021 15:22:16 GMT -5
Why would they announce this and not provide the initial rankings? With the new format, the #1 seed doesn’t matter all that much anymore. It matters even less because I doubt the NIT happens this year.
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