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Post by Big D on Apr 20, 2023 18:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by Big D on Apr 20, 2023 20:31:05 GMT -5
We absolutely need a solid and proven transfer that can start day one. Not a walk-on or 10th man from a big program, but someone useful. The offense was painful to watch besides Trey and occasionally Noel. Need some offense and hopefully it is also not a guard as we are guard heavy. I’m not trying to be sarcastic here either but can you think of a single speech, article quote, etc where you think your idea of what is needed for next year is anywhere within the scope of reality with the way Nagy had talked about using the portal. You are completely delusional if you think he is looking for an immediate impact transfer. Everything about the man and the way he coaches and recruits tells you that if he is going to add anyone at all, he is looking for someone he thinks is part of the puzzle that helps us win next year. He is never going to be the coach that looks at the portal as a primary way to add talent. He just won’t change and it will probably be his ultimate downfall as a coach. Hell, our fan base has wanted him to make the micro-mini change in his coaching philosophy by using a time out every now and then to stop when our opponents go on a run against us and we have all be disappointed in his refusal to do so. Thinking he is going to hit the portal like RMU, YSU, and NKU’s coaches is less likely to happen than Wright State getting a Big 10 conference invite. It’s just not going to happen. I seriously wish he would adapt to the times because I do like the man and the way he has represented Wright State. I don’t want to see it get to the point where we have to let him go because he won’t change with the times. |
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Post by Hoops Junkie on Apr 20, 2023 21:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by wsuairstrike on Apr 21, 2023 12:15:07 GMT -5
We absolutely need a solid and proven transfer that can start day one. Not a walk-on or 10th man from a big program, but someone useful. The offense was painful to watch besides Trey and occasionally Noel. Need some offense and hopefully it is also not a guard as we are guard heavy. I’m not trying to be sarcastic here either but can you think of a single speech, article quote, etc where you think your idea of what is needed for next year is anywhere within the scope of reality with the way Nagy had talked about using the portal. You are completely delusional if you think he is looking for an immediate impact transfer. Everything about the man and the way he coaches and recruits tells you that if he is going to add anyone at all, he is looking for someone he thinks is part of the puzzle that helps us win next year. He is never going to be the coach that looks at the portal as a primary way to add talent. He just won’t change and it will probably be his ultimate downfall as a coach. Hell, our fan base has wanted him to make the micro-mini change in his coaching philosophy by using a time out every now and then to stop when our opponents go on a run against us and we have all be disappointed in his refusal to do so. Thinking he is going to hit the portal like RMU, YSU, and NKU’s coaches is less likely to happen than Wright State getting a Big 10 conference invite. It’s just not going to happen. I seriously wish he would adapt to the times because I do like the man and the way he has represented Wright State. I don’t want to see it get to the point where we have to let him go because he won’t change with the times. I'm just saying what we need. The coaches should recognize what we need too. I hear you that coach is probably set in his ways but unless we get an impact forward, I think we are going to struggle. I hope I'm wrong. Nagy has been great so I'm hoping we can adapt. We are an attractive option imo. No reason we shouldn't have interest from some solid players. Also I would still argue nku didn't lose any production while loading up on at least two solid players (at least on paper). It is nice we didn't lose any production. |
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Post by Big D on Apr 21, 2023 13:33:52 GMT -5
I'm just saying what we need. The coaches should recognize what we need too. I hear you that coach is probably set in his ways but unless we get an impact forward, I think we are going to struggle. I hope I'm wrong. Nagy has been great so I'm hoping we can adapt. We are an attractive option imo. No reason we shouldn't have interest from some solid players. Also I would still argue nku didn't lose any production while loading up on at least two solid players (at least on paper). It is nice we didn't lose any production. I agree with almost everything you said. I would love to add a 6-7+ forward/post that could give us immediate playing time and contribute on both ends of the court. I do disagree that recruits see us as an attractive option. We are getting killed in the transfer portal market because of the amount of effort other coaches are putting into it compared to us and their easy ability to negatively recruit us with these recruits. Our staff is recruiting portal guys like traditional recruits. They are trying to build relationships with these young men and trying to get them on campus before we offer them. For the record, I have not seen where we have even offered a 2023 transfer player yet. Schools like NKU and YSU, are offering these guys scholarships during their initial conversations, sight unseen and are willing to accept their pledge without ever meeting them in person or getting them on campus. It's a huge advantage for those schools vs us. Those schools can also point out their success with recent transfer players. That is also going to really hurt us going forward if we don't sign some guys that end up having good careers at Wright State. It's really easy to negatively recruit against us when Gentry and Wampler are our last real success stories when it comes to transfers. We have a lot more under achievements and flat out failures when it comes to transfers: Aleksander Dozic, Jordan Ash, Riley Voss, CJ Wilbourn, Tim Finke, Blake Sisley, and Amari Davis. |
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Post by beatud on Apr 21, 2023 13:40:08 GMT -5
Also I would still argue nku didn't lose any production while loading up on at least two solid players (at least on paper). NKU lost Chris Brandon, Trevon Faulkner, and Xavier Rhodes (all seniors), who all played a lot of minutes this year. They also lost six players to the portal (several of which played minutes this year). |
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Post by 86grad on Apr 21, 2023 14:32:28 GMT -5
As I look toward next season, I just hope that continuity + familiarity is the equation for success, and that roster turnover leads to poor team chemistry and a lack of success. We'll see which system works the best in the Horizon League.
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Post by beatud on Apr 21, 2023 15:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by Big D on Apr 21, 2023 20:31:21 GMT -5
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Post by wsuairstrike on Apr 22, 2023 9:48:29 GMT -5
I'm just saying what we need. The coaches should recognize what we need too. I hear you that coach is probably set in his ways but unless we get an impact forward, I think we are going to struggle. I hope I'm wrong. Nagy has been great so I'm hoping we can adapt. We are an attractive option imo. No reason we shouldn't have interest from some solid players. Also I would still argue nku didn't lose any production while loading up on at least two solid players (at least on paper). It is nice we didn't lose any production. I agree with almost everything you said. I would love to add a 6-7+ forward/post that could give us immediate playing time and contribute on both ends of the court. I do disagree that recruits see us as an attractive option. We are getting killed in the transfer portal market because of the amount of effort other coaches are putting into it compared to us and their easy ability to negatively recruit us with these recruits. Our staff is recruiting portal guys like traditional recruits. They are trying to build relationships with these young men and trying to get them on campus before we offer them. For the record, I have not seen where we have even offered a 2023 transfer player yet. Schools like NKU and YSU, are offering these guys scholarships during their initial conversations, sight unseen and are willing to accept their pledge without ever meeting them in person or getting them on campus. It's a huge advantage for those schools vs us. Those schools can also point out their success with recent transfer players. That is also going to really hurt us going forward if we don't sign some guys that end up having good careers at Wright State. It's really easy to negatively recruit against us when Gentry and Wampler are our last real success stories when it comes to transfers. We have a lot more under achievements and flat out failures when it comes to transfers: Aleksander Dozic, Jordan Ash, Riley Voss, CJ Wilbourn, Tim Finke, Blake Sisley, and Amari Davis. D, you're saying we didn't bother to extend an offer to the 7'0 footer from Xavier? That is just unreal if so. I'm glad I'm not in that position to recruit because if nku and ysu are truly just offering sight unseen, that seems difficult to do. I can't see how a student can make that decision without visiting too but to each their own. Good point on other schools trashing our transfer success. I'd make a counter point that out that list of non success, those were not great players to start other Finke by ranking, and Davis by 3 years of previous success. I remember being really excited when Davis signed. Hoping he turns it around, we need him to. We just need to do a better job of identifying talent in the portal and then going after it. 2 success stories out of that list. Don't care about the injury excuses. Injured or not they weren't as solid as needed. |
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Post by Big D on Apr 23, 2023 10:44:08 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2023 13:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by guyinstandswithbeer on Apr 23, 2023 19:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by guyinstandswithbeer on Apr 23, 2023 19:32:36 GMT -5
We absolutely need a solid and proven transfer that can start day one. Not a walk-on or 10th man from a big program, but someone useful. The offense was painful to watch besides Trey and occasionally Noel. Need some offense and hopefully it is also not a guard as we are guard heavy. I’m not trying to be sarcastic here either but can you think of a single speech, article quote, etc where you think your idea of what is needed for next year is anywhere within the scope of reality with the way Nagy had talked about using the portal. You are completely delusional if you think he is looking for an immediate impact transfer. Everything about the man and the way he coaches and recruits tells you that if he is going to add anyone at all, he is looking for someone he thinks is part of the puzzle that helps us win next year. He is never going to be the coach that looks at the portal as a primary way to add talent. He just won’t change and it will probably be his ultimate downfall as a coach. Hell, our fan base has wanted him to make the micro-mini change in his coaching philosophy by using a time out every now and then to stop when our opponents go on a run against us and we have all be disappointed in his refusal to do so. Thinking he is going to hit the portal like RMU, YSU, and NKU’s coaches is less likely to happen than Wright State getting a Big 10 conference invite. It’s just not going to happen. I seriously wish he would adapt to the times because I do like the man and the way he has represented Wright State. I don’t want to see it get to the point where we have to let him go because he won’t change with the times. Honestly, I’d like to see Wright State make that change sooner vs later IF Nagy isn’t willing to change with the times. If he is willing to make some changes, I’d like to see us get rid of our most useless assistant coach right now and bring in someone who thrives at recruiting the portal and JUCO ranks. Nagy can keep the vast majority of how he likes to coach and recruit, but to keep with the times we need to be on the forefront of what is changing in D1 hoops. Grant needs to have a serious come to Jesus moment with Nagy and let him know that Wright State is unwilling to keep him as the highest paid employee of the university if he is unwilling to change. We can not afford to pay the man over 1/2 million dollars a year to finish as a middle of the pack team in a really bad HL conference. It’s unacceptable. |
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Post by wsuwillie on Apr 24, 2023 7:25:19 GMT -5
I'm a lot more worried about how Nagy uses the guys he recruits than I am the actual guys he recruits. The distribution of playing time to ineffective/over-matched players is maddening.
As Big D noted ^, if all the guys on the roster return we'll have that nucleus plus the (2) RS guys (who practiced all year with us) and an impressive-on-paper incoming class. We should just need Coach to figure it out. We might win 4-5 more games this year simply due to not playing 4-on-5 on the offensive game for 35+ minutes a game...unless...
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