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Post by vandaliaraider on Mar 29, 2024 13:39:51 GMT -5
Well, I had to turn it up to 11 to hear anything of substance as the FB audio quality was terrible to say the least. I'm interested in hearing who among the players were there to support Coach and announcement, as well as our incoming recruits and their status. I'm sure a real q&a article is forthcoming and will do more for us than this barely audible press conference. Unfortunate and a missed opportunity for the nearly 100 watching online. You think they would have learned last time at Coach Hoffman’s press conference. It was hard to hear the whole thing. I hope he brings some new ideas to the team. I keep thinking there is a GA at Colorado St (Cole Gentry) that would be a great assistant coach. We are going to need help at PG and he would bring great experience. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 29, 2024 15:03:09 GMT -5
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Post by piratebb on Mar 29, 2024 15:37:59 GMT -5
I'm strangely both disappointed and excited about Nagy moving on. No doubt I think he's been our best coach in a long time, but he's also gotten stale and more stubborn in his approach and philosophy. I've found myself with the same kind of disgust - at times - just like I did at the end of the Donlon era. SSDD over and over and repeatedly banging the square peg into the round hole. Nagy may take some existing players with him, but they darn well better be one of his favys or they aren't going to be happy there. To new recruits thinking about following Nagy: You aren't playing in your first year...you will play man-to-man 90% of the time whether your team-talent can do it or not...and if you aren't a favy (for whatever unknown reason) your ass will sit more than it will run...and you'll be looking over your shoulder anytime you make a mistake. It'd be great to have a couple of our portal entries reconsider...as unlikely as that may be. Lastly...so ironic that Nagy acted all butt-hurt with the surprise transfers of Tanner & Basile only to later pull the same stun himself. |
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Post by wsuairstrike on Mar 29, 2024 16:50:07 GMT -5
This feels like a fever dream. Some SUI fans want our entire roster. Seems like a great fan base but I don't get it. We were not good and we had a very talented team. According to RPI ratings, MVC finished 9 out of 33 conferences. The HL was 22. Not sure how this roster would do in the MVC. Maybe Nagy will be a different coach there but I doubt it. He seemed to let his assistants do most of the coaching in game. I'm not sure what that means for us since we looked like a poorly managed team at times. And we almost never had a good play after a timeout lol. I also saw where someone said Brown, Woods and Carter played a significant portion of minutes. Guess we are all the same at the end of the day. No one really knows anything and we all have different opinions! Congrats to Sargent. Hopefully he can take what Nagy taught him and apply a more modern style in regards to managing the roster. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 29, 2024 17:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by wsuraider12 on Mar 29, 2024 18:29:22 GMT -5
I’d say that makes that pretty official for those two.
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Post by wsuraider12 on Mar 29, 2024 18:39:31 GMT -5
In one of the videos, Welage is sitting with the players that showed up also.
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Post by Admin on Mar 29, 2024 19:17:17 GMT -5
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Post by raidergrad98 on Mar 29, 2024 20:35:04 GMT -5
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Post by raiderrunt on Mar 29, 2024 23:02:55 GMT -5
As I read between the lines I heard him say he didn't get the support here at WSU or he was worried about the support he would get moving forward. |
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Post by Big D on Mar 29, 2024 23:52:31 GMT -5
As I read between the lines I heard him say he didn't get the support here at WSU or he was worried about the support he would get moving forward. I would say he was referring to your second guess and I had referred to that in many game threads this year when discussing Nagy’s future. College athletics is a business like it or not. All employees have a boss and board of directors to answer to. Nagy never really believed that. Bob Grant was his immediate boss and Bob tried his best to provide Nagy with everything he wanted and needed to succeed here. Bob Grant also had a boss (our president) and a board of directors (the donors). If the donors were happy with the direction of the program then the money kept flowing. It provided NIL money to bring Amari Davis to WSU. It provided NIL money to keep Trey and bring back Tanner. It provided money to take his teams to Italy twice since he has been here. Those donors want to see some return on their investment. When you spend money to bring a former all HL player to your team, they don’t expect to see him riding the pine by the end of the year and transfer out to a D2 team. When they pay to keep two 2000 point scorers happy, they expect much much more than the shitty season we just sat through. I said it many times this year. The donors were getting feed up with Nagy’s insistence on using a short bench and having an aversion to the transfer portal. If he would have been willing to adapt, he would still be here in the good graces of everyone. As it stands, he is now Southern Illinois problem. A large portion of their fan base is already unhappy with him being hired. I think those fans are going to lose their shit when they realize Nagy hates the portal, hates recruiting JUCOs, and wants to redshirt all freshmen. I don’t think their patience is going to be very good and I doubt he gets to finish out that new 6 year contract he just signed. I hope I’m wrong and he finally adapts to the new college athletic landscape. I really do like the man and the way he represented our university. If you watched Clint’s press conference today, he pointed out that he would be utilizing the portal and embracing NIL. I have absolutely no doubt that statement was made specifically for our top donors who wanted change. |
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Post by raiderrunt on Mar 30, 2024 0:30:56 GMT -5
As I read between the lines I heard him say he didn't get the support here at WSU or he was worried about the support he would get moving forward. I would say he was referring to your second guess and I had referred to that in many game threads this year when discussing Nagy’s future. College athletics is a business like it or not. All employees have a boss and board of directors to answer to. Nagy never really believed that. Bob Grant was his immediate boss and Bob tried his best to provide Nagy with everything he wanted and needed to succeed here. Bob Grant also had a boss (our president) and a board of directors (the donors). If the donors were happy with the direction of the program then the money kept flowing. It provided NIL money to bring Amari Davis to WSU. It provided NIL money to keep Trey and bring back Tanner. It provided money to take his teams to Italy twice since he has been here. Those donors want to see some return on their investment. When you spend money to bring a former all HL player to your team, they don’t expect to see him riding the pine by the end of the year and transfer out to a D2 team. When they pay to keep two 2000 point scorers happy, they expect much much more than the shitty season we just sat through. I said it many times this year. The donors were getting feed up with Nagy’s insistence on using a short bench and having an aversion to the transfer portal. If he would have been willing to adapt, he would still be here in the good graces of everyone. As it stands, he is now Southern Illinois problem. A large portion of their fan base is already unhappy with him being hired. I think those fans are going to lose their shit when they realize Nagy hates the portal, hates recruiting JUCOs, and wants to redshirt all freshmen. I don’t think their patience is going to be very good and I doubt he gets to finish out that new 6 year contract he just signed. I hope I’m wrong and he finally adapts to the new college athletic landscape. I really do like the man and the way he represented our university. If you watched Clint’s press conference today, he pointed out that he would be utilizing the portal and embracing NIL. I have absolutely no doubt that statement was made specifically for our top donors who wanted change. Thanks for clarifying that.....good to know. |
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Post by wsu97 on Mar 30, 2024 7:26:46 GMT -5
To expand on what Big D wrote, I don’t think our donors gave Bob Grant or Coach Nagy any kind of ultimatum on how he needs to run his program. They just weren’t happy with the direction of the program and voiced those concerns to Grant. How Grant presented that to Coach Nagy is unknown to all of us. I don’t think this is any different than any other college across the country be it in athletics or just the main university. Schools need donor money to build new facilities or start projects that they cannot afford otherwise. To get donors to pay hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, those donors are going to have some kind of expectations. If you constantly fail to hit those expectations it gets harder and harder to get those donors to keep buying in.
I think most people saw 2022/23 as a blip in our progress as a program due to Tanner and Grant transferring. There were concerns when Nagy very publicly stated that he had very little intention in utilizing the transfer portal. Expectations became very high this year. Donors and fans saw this as a huge bounce back year. We got Tanner back. We were returning a solid nucleus of a team. We had a really good recruiting class coming in and we were going to Italy in the summer. That Italy trip was sold to the donors as a way to get extra practice time and a way to get the team to really gel together. Getting the freshmen ready to play this year was a big part of that selling point. I think it’s understandable when donors were upset when the season rolls around and we ended up redshirting 2 of the 3 freshmen and our very experienced team that got an extra 3 weeks of practice time together played some of the worst team defense in the history of our program. I think what really matters is that we didn’t try to really make any adjustments during the season to change that. We rolled out the same lineup and same game plan all season. Our coach is never going to be perfect and no one really has unachievable expectations for our program. I think everyone wants to see passion from our coach and the ability to adapt and grow from experience. In this age of instant transfers and NIL, you need to be able to adapt and roll with the punches now more than ever. I appreciate everything Nagy did for our program but I don’t think his “my way or the Highway” approach to coaching is going to be successful in this new era. I have no idea if Clint Sargent is up for the task. I hope he is but one thing I can say is his success or failure is going to be determined by his ability to adapt to the times. I don’t think financial resources is going to hold him back like Nagy alluded to in his press conference. I think our fans and donors will support and give Clint every opportunity to succeed.
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Post by Admin on Mar 30, 2024 11:25:22 GMT -5
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