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Post by hhgreen on Mar 22, 2014 15:05:17 GMT -5
Well, is there an extension.
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Post by hhgreen on Mar 22, 2014 15:15:51 GMT -5
There are others, but I will let others bring them up. There are some good ones than need rehashed. Just think it will be quiet for another 6 months or so.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Mar 22, 2014 15:47:23 GMT -5
Hh, I realize the implication of a coach who is in the last year of his contract. It makes recruiting the 2015 class very tough. It is far from the ideal situation. Generally I favor firing or extending. But I do not think there is any way we would fire bd but I have seen nothing to make me want to extend his contract. I think we need to play it out and hope for the best.
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Post by Willie on Mar 22, 2014 15:59:24 GMT -5
I think Donlon gets a 3 year extension. I am not happy with the season we had either but you cannot fire a coach that just took you to back to back HL championship games. We would have a hard time finding a coach that would want to replace him if that is the precedent we are setting. I think we give him a very basic 3 year extension. I wouldn't offer him a raise. I would offer him incentives though. If attendance increases he should get a bonus. If we get into the NIT or NCAAs he should get a bonus. It keeps him from becoming a lame duck recruiter and offers him incentives to be more successful.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Mar 22, 2014 16:30:59 GMT -5
Willie, that means he has four years guaranteed. Imho, way too much. I would add one year, two max, but preferably one.
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Post by Willie on Mar 22, 2014 16:49:59 GMT -5
Willie, that means he has four years guaranteed. Imho, way too much. I would add one year, two max, but preferably one. Very few contracts are guaranteed for the entire duration they are written for. They almost all have buyout clauses both ways. Donlon's current contract has a 50K buyout if he wants to leave early for another program. We could agree to drop his buyout clause if he wants to leave to go to another school in exchange for us having a smaller buyout to his contract if we want to terminate him early.
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Post by hhgreen on Mar 22, 2014 17:08:11 GMT -5
Well I don't see any bonus for attendance coming his way unless the offensive play changes.
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Post by bballraider on Mar 22, 2014 17:18:11 GMT -5
I would definitely extend his contract. Most teams we play think we are well coached. I think so to. But he's got to do something about that stalling offense. And for recruiting purposes you do it for 3-4 years minimum. Players being recruited want to make sure the coach is there for their whole duration.
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Post by wolf41 on Mar 22, 2014 18:08:36 GMT -5
I said before I'd favor an extension. I'm not smart enough to know what is "reasonable", "fair", etc. What I would look for in the program, however, would be a greatly enhanced schedule with an SOS at least in the middle of the HL. I'd also want to see increased attendance, and an increase in the size and muscle of our big men. Getting 2 or 3 power forward type bodies would be welcome. I'd like to see a more offensive style of play, which I think you can do while playing good defense. Many teams do both pretty well. It's not an either or situation. You need both.
I'd also like WSU to be pushing the Commish on expansion. Let's build the HL to at least 12 teams so we are not constantly on the edge of losing NCAA automatic qualification for NCAA play offs.
This season's tournaments has shown everyone how weak the HL is. We won one game in the weakest post season tournament. The league needs to become more competitive.
Oh yeah, do away with DII and DIII teams. What a scheduling philosophy for a league trying to prove their worth.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Mar 22, 2014 19:46:03 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts. If we were a "well coached" team we were a well coached 19-14 team against really low level competition. I would bet our non con SOS was 300 plus. Willie, you know contracts better than I but those coaches I can remember who were fired mid stream were paid the remainder of their contract. Hard to imagine a coach signing a deal for 3-4 years at 250k that could be terminated at any time for 50-75k. I could be wrong but that IMO. Third, I am not sure what some of you have seen in four years that make you so enthusiastic to see four more years of it. I am guessing our record against div I competition is a little over .500. On the bright side, I think we have been kicking some serious div iii butt, maybe undefeated. No real post season just a couple of poc tournaments. I cannot think of a signature high quality win, against top 50 competition. No wins against Bcs competition. There is just nothing we have done in four years that screams Four more years to me. Question for all, if you knew that signing bd to four more years would give us identical results from the past four would you support doing it.? And what makes any of you think bd will change his offensive philosophy or his scheduling philosophy. Once he signs well you get what you get.
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Post by Big D on Mar 22, 2014 20:08:44 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts. If we were a "well coached" team we were a well coached 19-14 team against really low level competition. I would bet our non con SOS was 300 plus. Willie, you know contracts better than I but those coaches I can remember who were fired mid stream were paid the remainder of their contract. Hard to imagine a coach signing a deal for 3-4 years at 250k that could be terminated at any time for 50-75k. All contracts have buyouts nowadays. Most are for a percentage of what is left on the remainder of their contract.
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Post by uptempo on Mar 22, 2014 20:31:42 GMT -5
Keep Donlon and we'll always be in contention for 3rd place in the Horizon, 17 to 20 wins, and a couple of games in the CBI or CIT. Better than average, but not great. I hate Dayton, but they do play a helter-skelter brand of basketball that wears out the competition. I want to roll the dice and get a new coach who can upgrade our program, we should be the flagship of the Horizon.
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Post by Glory Days on Mar 22, 2014 20:39:35 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to watching Donlon coach this year's recruiting class.
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Post by keithfromxenia on Mar 22, 2014 20:41:03 GMT -5
I knew there was a buyout in the event a coach took another job but I was unaware that a university could buy out the remainder of a coach's contract for a fraction of its value.
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Post by Big D on Mar 22, 2014 20:43:05 GMT -5
I knew there was a buyout in the event a coach took another job but I was unaware that a university could buy out the remainder of a coach's contract for a fraction of its value. I haven't seen Donlon's current contract but I bet his buyout is 50-60% of the remainder of his contract.
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