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Post by Willie on Jun 5, 2020 12:44:04 GMT -5
I'm thinking we add men's and women's lacrosse. We already have the facilities that aren't used in the spring. It's popularity is growing. Each team typically has 48 players with only 12.6 scholarships spread out. It's an equivalency sport which means all scholarships are not full scholarships and coaches can divide the value between as many players as they see fit. So we would increase enrollment by adding these sports as each team would basically add 36 full-time paying students. In theory that makes a lot of sense but I don't think that will factor into the decision. The same thing could be said for swimming and diving as well as both tennis programs. They all brought in revenue by increasing enrollment because none of our players were full ride athletes. Our athletic department gets that. Our faculty union does not and that is where the problem is. They look at the "X" amount of dollars of money Wright State spends on sports and see that as money that should be going towards their salary and benefits. They don't acknowledge that these sports increase enrollment and end up making us money. They don't acknowledge that our athletics brings in 5 times what they cost in positive PR for the university which also increases enrollment. They just don't care and unfortunately until Wright State gets it's finances in better footing I think Bob Grant is going to be forced to go the cheapest route possible. Men's tennis requires a minimum 4.5 scholarships. Women's tennis requires a minimum 8 scholarships. Women's golf requires a minimum of 6 scholarships. Travel costs for those sports is pretty low since the number of members on each team is low and you only need 1 coach for each team. Travel costs for Lacrosse is going to be a great deal higher just because of the large number of players and coaches we will need to transport. The extra salary needed for the extra coaches (1 coach for a golf team vs multiple coaches for a lacrosse team) is also a factor that doesn't work in lacrosse's favor. I think lacrosse would be a great sport for the university and could even get some fan support from the student body. I just see our athletic department finances being limited too much in the next few years due to our university's finances and how much our faculty unions is messing with athletics. Unfortunately I also see this as another black eye that is going to negatively affect our coaches ability on the recruiting front in our other sports. You know damn well every coach recruiting against us for a basketball/baseball/soccer, etc recruit is telling that recruit that you don't want to go to Wright State because Wright State might have to drop out of D1 or drop sports all together in the future. |
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Post by vandaliaraider on Jun 5, 2020 13:47:35 GMT -5
I'm thinking we add men's and women's lacrosse. We already have the facilities that aren't used in the spring. It's popularity is growing. Each team typically has 48 players with only 12.6 scholarships spread out. It's an equivalency sport which means all scholarships are not full scholarships and coaches can divide the value between as many players as they see fit. So we would increase enrollment by adding these sports as each team would basically add 36 full-time paying students. In theory that makes a lot of sense but I don't think that will factor into the decision. The same thing could be said for swimming and diving as well as both tennis programs. They all brought in revenue by increasing enrollment because none of our players were full ride athletes. Our athletic department gets that. Our faculty union does not and that is where the problem is. They look at the "X" amount of dollars of money Wright State spends on sports and see that as money that should be going towards their salary and benefits. They don't acknowledge that these sports increase enrollment and end up making us money. They don't acknowledge that our athletics brings in 5 times what they cost in positive PR for the university which also increases enrollment. They just don't care and unfortunately until Wright State gets it's finances in better footing I think Bob Grant is going to be forced to go the cheapest route possible. Men's tennis requires a minimum 4.5 scholarships. Women's tennis requires a minimum 8 scholarships. Women's golf requires a minimum of 6 scholarships. Travel costs for those sports is pretty low since the number of members on each team is low and you only need 1 coach for each team. Travel costs for Lacrosse is going to be a great deal higher just because of the large number of players and coaches we will need to transport. The extra salary needed for the extra coaches (1 coach for a golf team vs multiple coaches for a lacrosse team) is also a factor that doesn't work in lacrosse's favor. I think lacrosse would be a great sport for the university and could even get some fan support from the student body. I just see our athletic department finances being limited too much in the next few years due to our university's finances and how much our faculty unions is messing with athletics. Unfortunately I also see this as another black eye that is going to negatively affect our coaches ability on the recruiting front in our other sports. You know damn well every coach recruiting against us for a basketball/baseball/soccer, etc recruit is telling that recruit that you don't want to go to Wright State because Wright State might have to drop out of D1 or drop sports all together in the future. Those are some great points going forward. Our athletic department is doing the best with the options they have available and looking forward. I found this presentation presented by Bob to Board of Trustees back in April showing what efforts they are working on. It was well put together and provides insight. Now this was before they were told to cut another million for athletics so you know. |
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Post by jrraiders on Jun 6, 2020 18:54:54 GMT -5
The Wright State faculty union has their own agenda. The faculty union has been fighting for a long to time to get athletics at WSU cut. Loosing 3 sports is not enough for them. The staff at WSU continues to face reductions in positions and while the faculty union has demonstrated an unwillingness to help out. I don't think they realize their attitude towards the university does not have a positive impact on enrollment.
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Post by Rowdy on Jun 7, 2020 10:02:25 GMT -5
Any idea on how long it should take to hear back from the NCAA on the waiver?
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Post by Retired Coach on Jun 7, 2020 10:08:52 GMT -5
Any idea on how long it should take to hear back from the NCAA on the waiver? If you use the Central Michigan case as an example they announced they were dropping sports May 19 and they announced they received the waiver from the NCAA on June 3. You have to assume the NCAA is going to get back to us pretty quick because this doesn’t just effect us. It effects the entire HL and any school that we have scheduled games against in any sport next year. Hopefully we get some good news in the next week or 2. |
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Post by keithfromxenia on Jun 7, 2020 23:47:52 GMT -5
The answer maybe obvious but why does women’s tennis require 8 scholarships and men’s tennis only requires 4.5??
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Post by Big D on Jun 8, 2020 6:21:50 GMT -5
The answer maybe obvious but why does women’s tennis require 8 scholarships and men’s tennis only requires 4.5?? Title IX |
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Post by Sixth Man on Jun 21, 2020 8:55:01 GMT -5
Any idea on how long it should take to hear back from the NCAA on the waiver? If you use the Central Michigan case as an example they announced they were dropping sports May 19 and they announced they received the waiver from the NCAA on June 3. You have to assume the NCAA is going to get back to us pretty quick because this doesn’t just effect us. It effects the entire HL and any school that we have scheduled games against in any sport next year. Hopefully we get some good news in the next week or 2. We could really use some quick and good news from the NCAA. Recruiting just started picking up again for basketball. We don't want this to stretch out and hurt recruiting anymore than it already has. |
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Post by refrigeratorraider on Aug 26, 2020 11:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by 86grad on Aug 26, 2020 11:59:38 GMT -5
What a relief. Thank you for the good news.
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Post by Rush the Court on Aug 28, 2020 6:34:40 GMT -5
It's great to hear that we got the waiver. Hope the long wait didn't hurt recruiting too much.
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Post by refrigeratorraider on Sept 2, 2020 9:16:20 GMT -5
Bob Grant was the guest on the Reach the Horizon podcast this week and he discusses dropping sports and the NCAA waiver process, among other things. The most important piece of information: Wright State has 2 years to bring back sports to reach the NCAA D1 minimum.
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Post by Rowdy on Sept 13, 2020 10:19:08 GMT -5
Men's tennis requires a minimum 4.5 scholarships. Women's tennis requires a minimum 8 scholarships. Women's golf requires a minimum of 6 scholarships. I just did a little research into bowling. The NCAA currently does not sponsor scholarship D1 bowling for men. They do offer D1 bowling for women. The minimum is 5 scholarships. If we are trying to go the cheapest route available we might want to bring back men's tennis (4.5 scholarships), and add women's golf (6 scholarships), and women's bowling (5 scholarships). Men's volleyball is another option. It is also 4.5 scholarships. Source: www.athleticscholarships.net/division-1-colleges-schools.htm |
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Post by ohiopirate on Mar 5, 2021 14:02:14 GMT -5
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Post by wsuraider09 on Mar 5, 2021 14:10:59 GMT -5
Interesting read. While the article mentions many of the ongoing issues, it fails to mention that we have a temporary waiver to continue at the d1 level while not fielding enough teams. I think one of their biggest issues will be trying to figure out when and how we get out sports program back to the NCAA level while continuing to remain fiscally solvent. I'm not privy to the financials, but the covid impact will only be worsened by bringing back sports that don't financially contribute to the bottom dollar. Will be a very skinny tightrope to navigate all the gives and takes, while trying to be responsible, yet effective and inpactful to our students, student athletes, and community. |
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