|
|
Post by Raider3G on Mar 8, 2024 7:55:43 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by nuttercenterfan on Mar 8, 2024 9:26:53 GMT -5
Thanks Jimbo:( Everyone should compare the toughness of Nagys first tourney squad and this...and you can see how bad the drop-off has been under his watch. Nagys first tourney squad was a roster filled with mostly Donlon recruits.... |
|
|
|
Post by madnesswsu on Mar 8, 2024 9:36:33 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by raiders93 on Mar 8, 2024 10:25:01 GMT -5
Raiders did not execute in crunch time, again, and decision making raises questions about coaching in those types of critical situations again.
Why are we fouling a shooter, up 3, with 4 seconds left? We threw NKU a lifeline.
Lack of strong rebounding effort on that missed free throw. The ball was in Tanner’s hands and if he was as focused on securing it as he was drawing a foul, NKU wouldn’t have had the opportunity to tie the game at the end of regulation.
Why are we throwing up a low percentage 3, down 2 at the end of OT? Was that the plan? Their defense was not set and we were running in transition. Get it to a big near the bucket!!
So frustrating, and I’m afraid some things won’t change. To include the failure to adapt to the current environment and utilize the transfer portal to compete at a higher level in this shitty league.
|
|
|
|
Post by Big D on Mar 8, 2024 10:41:16 GMT -5
The question mark is can either KK or Norris step up and assume the point guard role? So far, I haven't seen much reason to believe either can. If AJ/Brandon/Alex can carry the scoring load, then all the PG has to do is feed it to them without turning it over -- Norris can do that, even if he can't score. KK has the energy and athleticism, but he'll have to stop being a turnover machine and stop taking bad shots if he wants off the bench. You have been very critical of KK most of the season whenever you post about him. Were you a fan of the program 5 years ago? If you were or were not you should probably go back and take a look at some of our old game tape on YouTube and take a look at our stat book from that season. Based on your current assessment of KK, I am curious of what you thought about Trey Calvin back then because quite frankly he was a mess back then too. Trey was a true freshman 5 years ago backing up a good senior PG in Cole Gentry. KK is a true freshman this year backing up our second all time leading scorer in school history in Trey Calvin so KK didn’t exactly get as much playing time this year as Trey did as a true freshman. Trey played 593 minutes and scored 153 points, had 68 rebounds, 32 assist, and 20 TOs. He shot 31% from the floor and 25% from 3. This year KK only played 255 minutes and scored 66 points, had 23 rebounds, 26 assists, and 24 TOs. He shot 34% from the floor and 18% from 3. He put up pretty similar numbers considering the difference in playing time. I think he is going to be fine next year. What he lacked this year was experience and he never got a chance to get comfortable on the court due to Nagy’s coaching style. Nagy loves to play experienced players and for some insane reason will keep playing them when they make mistake after mistake. He doesn’t like to play younger players and has an extremely short leash on them when they do play and make any kind of mistake whatsoever. That makes it extremely hard to develop younger players when they are on the court playing with the mindset of “don’t make a mistake or you won’t see the court again this game” vs the mindset of just play hard and try to help your team win. This team could have been so much better this year if we played halfway decent defense. We could have been a much better defensive team if we would have played all of our freshmen more and not redshirted any of them. We had a lot of really athletic guys who could have potential turned into good defenders sitting on the bench. I have absolutely no faith that next year will be any better. We have a lot of young guys who didn’t gain any experience this year who are going to need to step in and contribute. We have a really good freshman class coming in but Nagy will probably redshirt all 3 of them. Nagy won’t bring in a JUCO or transfer portal guy that can contribute next year. He just doesn’t believe in it. He is set in his ways and will probably have another subpar season next year which will force Bob Grant to have to make a tough decision on if Nagy is capable of coaching in the age of the transfer portal and NIL or if it is time to part ways. |
|
|
|
Post by raiderrunt on Mar 8, 2024 11:43:08 GMT -5
A lot of guys get mad at Nagy and talk about him leaving, but when Big D talks about that possibility, that is sobering. I always thought Nagy had a solid system that he used to win a lot of games. These are different times, so I can see how he hasn't adjusted to the current state of college basketball. I hope Nagy figures it out, because changing coaches is tough on a program and could take a few years to get a new coach and his system on track.
|
|
|
|
Post by oldschooll on Mar 8, 2024 12:59:07 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me how many more years Nagy is under contract? Is it only me or does it seem like Nagy may have lost his desire for coaching after his father passed away? Maybe much of Nagy's success was due to the input of his father. Something seems broken in the current Nagy system and I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps he needs to bring in a new assistant or two. Maybe the coach needs someone to come in and light a fire under him. Nagy seems way too complacent, he knows he won't be fired, therefore he feels no pressure to adapt to the new reality of college basketball in 2024. Or would stubborn be a better way to describe him? It just seems like Wright State is always outcoached at crunch time.
|
|
|
|
Post by hokieraider on Mar 8, 2024 23:33:32 GMT -5
Big D, your comparison of KK's freshman year to Calvin's behind Gentry is a good one, but he did put up more TOs in less than half the minutes. Yes, I have been critical of him. I didn't think he should be playing much, and I don't think it was ever fair to play him this year. He should have been redshirted (I understand why he wasn't). My point was if he isn't ready yet, you have to develop those skills in practice, not the game. The majority of the skills, understanding the defense and offense concepts, transitioning to D-1 speed, physicality, defending without fouling, etc are mostly developed in practice. The game helps with the last 15% and a players confidence, but the learning has to take place at practice. Hence most freshmen need to sit.
KK certainly has the physical tools to be a good or great player. He just hasn't yet figured it out, same as most true freshman. I hope he does make that jump, and I'll be rooting for him.
|
|
|
|
Post by hokieraider on Mar 9, 2024 0:23:49 GMT -5
Speaking of being critical, I don't understand all the Nagy hate on here. Yes, the season did not turn out as any of us wanted, and that falls on the coach. But I see him taking that extremely personally, and committed to fixing it. He just won't be fixing with one and done transfers as some on here want (thats what coaches who intend to leave at their first chance do), he wants to build something that is sustainable. In interviews (watch the longer you-tube post games) and at the coaches shows, its clear to me that the lack of defense and losing at home both eats at him deeply. He's just not the ranting and yelling type that some of you seem to want (my personal observation is that doesn't work). I do see him changing the type of players we are recruiting this year and last to bring in more athleticism so they can play better defense.
For those who want to move on, be careful what you ask for. You seem to think the next guy will always be better. Best case (unlikely) is you get an up and comer who is successful (think Brad Brownell), who makes us competitive, then quickly leaves for greener pastures. But in the current environment of anyone can transfer, that coach then takes his players with him. He also has to start from scratch because the current players also leave when the current coach goes.
Worst case is you get a guy who is in way above his head and fails miserably (think Ed Schilling). The program gets set back 10 years, and the fan support also bails. No one wants that again.
Most likely case is you get an average or slightly above average guy, who is much worse than what we have now with Nagy (think about half of the recent HL coaches). We win games, finish around .500, but are not competitive for league titles. Thats where MKE, UIC, CSU were stuck for most of the last decade. Again, no one wants that.
We already have a top 2 coach in the HL, one who is committed to staying here long term, and who is committed to fixing the problems we've had. A couple of years that were disappointing (mostly because we set our expectations very high based on the talent he has brought in), is not a reason to get rid of the coach.
|
|
|
|
Post by Big D on Mar 9, 2024 5:56:47 GMT -5
My point was if he isn't ready yet, you have to develop those skills in practice, not the game. The majority of the skills, understanding the defense and offense concepts, transitioning to D-1 speed, physicality, defending without fouling, etc are mostly developed in practice. The game helps with the last 15% and a players confidence, but the learning has to take place at practice. Hence most freshmen need to sit. That is a statement that is clearly not backed up by facts. If you take a look at all of the college basketball rosters across the country, you will see that the way Nagy feels the need to redshirt freshmen is very very clearly an outlier. Other coaches redshirt injured players or players that need to physically develop (a player like Drey Carter who was grossly underweight when he showed up on campus). The vast majority of freshmen on other basketball rosters do not redshirt. Other college coaches figure out a way to develop their players without that developmental year. |
|
|
|
Post by wsuairstrike on Mar 9, 2024 11:02:07 GMT -5
Speaking of being critical, I don't understand all the Nagy hate on here. Lot to unpack here. I don't think anyone hates him. He's showed that he has vastly underperformed with a 600k salary and missed expectations with only 2 tournament wins. We have the best fans and facilities in the league. We have one of the better locations outside of Milwaukee. We have had some great talent during his tenure. But 2 tournament wins is not good enough. Barely above .500 with a loss to a mid nku in the quarter finals is not good enough. Last year you could give him a small pass but this year was just embarrassing. He hardly had any roster turnover. What's the point of keeping the roster together when other teams and fill in holes and win just as much. We pretty much wasted the career one of our best all time players with Trey Calvin. Do you really think we will have someone like that again? Nagy is just exposing himself that he's not living up to expectations and is not a great coach. He's shown time and time that he's horrible at clock management. He never calls one when a run is going or he calls a dumb one when we have momentum or the other team is out of them so we help them develop a play. We can't ever seem to come up with a successful play out of a time out. We always seem to make the dumbest fouls at the end of games. We also seem to have the same people season after season that foul someone shooting a 3. These are disturbing trends during his tenure that have not gotten any better. Morale victories are also useless for this team. In the covid season, twice we were beat in almost the same way. Allowing a team to drive down the court with no resistance to score the game winning basket. You could say on the first one "oh that was bad. Okay let's prepare for something similar so that doesn't happen again". 2 games later, the same thing happened. I can go on and on but I'll end with the worst blunder. That covid year, that was the best roster WSU ever had. We still didn't finish 1st in the crap HL. We play a terrible UMW team and have one of the worst collapses in college basketball history. We can't even learn from that. We blew so many leads this year and blew another large lead, at home, in the HL, to another mid team. So yeah, I don't think people hate Nagy, but sure can say he is exposing himself as an overpaid and underachieving coach. Yes finding another head coach will be difficult. But so what? Are we suppose to just accept our fate of being a mid team in a low tier conference? If all the other shit schools in our league can turn it around, why can't we? |
|
|
|
Post by Dr J on Mar 9, 2024 13:27:27 GMT -5
I’m semiretired and watch a lot of basketball. One team I follow is Samford, a small private university, in Birmingham, AL. 3 years ago they hired a young successful high school coach. Now he has built a team and plays 10-11 every game. They play fast pace and press on defense. He utilizes high school recruiting and the portal successfully. They play total team basketball and have high percentage of assists. A player might get 25 minutes of playing time. He has some recruits coming, that could have gone to bigger schools, but want to play that brand of basketball.
Our coach has not utilized the portal well. Maybe we need a young energetic coach willing to use high school recruiting and the portal. Our coach has not progressed to the new needs f really being successful. He red shirts young players, in my estimation, unnecessarily. He should have faith in every player he recruits or shouldn’t recruit them. Maybe red shirt to physically develop or because they wouldn’t be playing.
I’m not expecting him to change.
The other coaches in the league know his strategy for offense and defense and understand how to be successful against those strategies. It is what it is.
|
|
|
|
Post by madnesswsu on Mar 9, 2024 13:30:52 GMT -5
I’m semiretired and watch a lot of basketball. One team I follow is Samford, a small private university, in Birmingham, AL. 3 years ago they hired a young successful high school coach. Now he has built a team and plays 10-11 every game. They play fast pace and press on defense. He utilizes high school recruiting and the portal successfully. They play total team basketball and have high percentage of assists. A play might get 25 minutes of playing time. He has some recruits coming, that could have gone to bigger schools, but want to play that brand of basketball. Our coach has not utilized the portal well. Maybe we need a young energetic coach willing to use high school recruiting and the portal. Our coach has not progressed to the new needs f really being successful. He red shirts young players, in my estimation, unnecessarily. He should have faith in every player he recruits or shouldn’t recruit them. Maybe red shirt to physically develop or because they wouldn’t be playing. I’m not expecting him to change. The other coaches in the league know his strategy for offense and defense and understand how to be successful against those strategies. It is what it is. Youngstown State has used the portal really good . Look how that ended up just saying…. Nagy knows what he doing box out and we are going to INDY. |
|
|
|
Post by Dr J on Mar 9, 2024 14:44:19 GMT -5
I’m semiretired and watch a lot of basketball. One team I follow is Samford, a small private university, in Birmingham, AL. 3 years ago they hired a young successful high school coach. Now he has built a team and plays 10-11 every game. They play fast pace and press on defense. He utilizes high school recruiting and the portal successfully. They play total team basketball and have high percentage of assists. A play might get 25 minutes of playing time. He has some recruits coming, that could have gone to bigger schools, but want to play that brand of basketball. Our coach has not utilized the portal well. Maybe we need a young energetic coach willing to use high school recruiting and the portal. Our coach has not progressed to the new needs f really being successful. He red shirts young players, in my estimation, unnecessarily. He should have faith in every player he recruits or shouldn’t recruit them. Maybe red shirt to physically develop or because they wouldn’t be playing. I’m not expecting him to change. The other coaches in the league know his strategy for offense and defense and understand how to be successful against those strategies. It is what it is. Youngstown State has used the portal really good . Look how that ended up just saying…. Nagy knows what he doing box out and we are going to INDY. How many wins did we have against YSU this year? |
|
|
|
Post by Raider3G on Mar 9, 2024 15:56:49 GMT -5
Nobody hates Nagy. But the last two years this team is .500 against DI competition and the trend is downward. He has IMHO one year to get an NCAA or he his and should be out. Its tough to see this trend because his first six years had the best run in WSU DI history. Yes some of that was whom he inherited but he also did bring in solid guys. One thing that has changed from his first few years was his use of freshman. He played Malachi, Skylar and Jaylon significant minutes and while none finished at WSU they all significantly contribute to more successful seasons than what we have seen the last two years. Alex H. played a lot as a freshman. Same with AJ Braun. Everett Winchester played good minutes as a redshirt freshman. But the last couple years Nagy pivoted from what worked better prior.
Separately....from Archdeacon's great article on WSU women (he calls it how he sees it): "The WSU women have been over-achievers this season; while the Raiders’ men – whose 99-97 collapse in overtime against Northern Kentucky in a tournament quarterfinal at the Nutter Center Thursday night – ended their season underachieving."
|
|
